If Chris Samuels does retire..?

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budw38
10-15-2009, 02:21 PM
Wishing the best for Samuels , true warrior for the Skins . As far as OL , Sign 2 in F/A and use one < or both > of our first two picks on the OL . The Jets did just that with drafting Ferguson/Mangold .

DFI
10-15-2009, 02:31 PM
really he needs to hang it up health in tact

redsk1
10-15-2009, 02:48 PM
Yes, Samuels retirement would be another hole added to the multitude of holes that we need to fill on our team.

LT, RT, Guard, Center (maybe), RB, QB, and possibly CB w/ CR most likely leaving via FA

Personally, it would be a bummer to see CS retire. He's gotta do what's best though.

Bill B
10-15-2009, 03:16 PM
redsk1,

All of those needs are really making it a downer to be a Skins fan. I would say you can't possibly do it in one offseason - maybe we get one offensive lineman via free agency but the good ones are rarely let go by other teams.

Longtimefan
10-15-2009, 03:22 PM
For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB

I agree, It's certainly going to be a tremendous loss in the event Samuels can't return, but his future is more important than football.

Temporary fixes are not the answer. Pete Kendall and John Runyan have been mentioned, but there's a reason why Kendall is not here already, the man is 37yrs old and cannot practice due to his arthritic knees. John Runyan will want more than the Redskins are willing to pay, plus we don't know the physical condition of either guy at this stage of the season.

If Samuels' career is finished, we need to look to the draft the same way we got him ten yrs. ago, build the O-line with young men that have an extended future. He's been a great Redskin that has solidified the left side for a long time. It would be great if he could recover.

Bill B
10-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans:

Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future?

I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.

GTripp0012
10-15-2009, 04:47 PM
Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans:

Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future?

I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.I think the team can place him on the reserve/retired list, and then doesn't have to pay his non-guaranteed salaries without being forced to immediately accelerate the unrealized guaranteed contract money.

skinsfan_nn
10-15-2009, 04:57 PM
Joe, good post. exactly how i feel. year after year, the skins trot these old guys out there, seemingly with no plan if someone gets injured. i guess now this kind of forces their hand. and just say no to Runyan. let some of the younger guys play. we have to find out as a team if any of them can play in this league. does anyone really know if Rinehart is NFL quality? and this is his 3rd season?

What younger guys are you talking about.....? Oh you mean Heyer, I think we know the answer to that Terp project. Ok, maybe as a backup. But certainly not a starter in this league, well except for the Skins!

And Rhino....he's lacking a little confidence, but he really is getting pushed around like a girl. That should about answer that.

Bill B
10-15-2009, 05:52 PM
I think the team can place him on the reserve/retired list, and then doesn't have to pay his non-guaranteed salaries without being forced to immediately accelerate the unrealized guaranteed contract money.


thanks for the update GTripp - hopefully they can spread over many years.

tryfuhl
10-15-2009, 05:57 PM
For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB
Agreed.. we're not in it to win it this year, so go with what you have and see where they end up

The only reason not to is if you're protecting your franchise QB, which I don't see as the case

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