Should Snyder listen to his players?

This really becomes a poll question:

Should Dan Snyder give Coach Zorn a vote of confidence?


I say no. A vote of confidence is usually the kiss of death!

I say great if it is the kiss,you actually want zorn to stay?

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much :(
Now that you mention it, I think the Skins could greatly benefit from a "hard ass" type of coach. Gruden generally has that reputation. THAT is one of the things I like about him.

Now that you mention it, I think the Skins could greatly benefit from a "hard ass" type of coach. Gruden generally has that reputation. THAT is one of the things I like about him.

Yeah if we're stuck w/ lil D and Vinny running the FO for the foreseeable future then Gruden is probably the best candidate to come in and make due w/ the personnel he's given. We WILL have to make room for at least 4 qbs on the roster though lol.

When I heard this I was unsure how to take this. My first few thoughts were...

1. The players are afraid of who might be brought in as HC.
2. The players are afraid to lose their club med lifestyle
3. Players know that if there is a change, "Rebuild" mode maybe eminent. Which means they may be cut or traded.
4. Players are feigning loyalty for some reason. Perhaps players went to Snyder and complained that Zorn doesn't have a clue, Zorn found out and now players are covering their tracks.

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much :(

Keep in mind, most business men who have a lot of money will find a way to make themselves look good yet help themselves against the IRS. ;)

DS should not listen to those over paid fools.He needs to get someone in there that he can listen two Mike Holmgren GM.

Should he; yes. Will he; no.

Excellent post man! I tend to disagree on Snyder's reaction, or lack thereof. But overall you really wrap the whole idea of a football franchise into a nice paragraph.

Thanks.
I really do think Snyder is living one of his worst moments as owner of the Redskins right now. He is feeling it. This current bad situation is at least tied for worst along with the worst moment in the Spurrier era. They would have to be at least tied for worst moment for DS as owner.
DS loves to make a splash in the media and to be talked about positively in the media. He comes from an advertising background and he knows the advantages of good press. By him looking the fool in the national media day on an hourly basis right now and the Redskins organization being an embarrassment, DS has to be losing his hair at a faster pace than normal.
When I watched a little NFL network or ESPN NFL news this week the Redskins demise is a semi-hot topic right now. We are a talking point in the national sports/football media. That is painful.

The majority of the criticism leveled towards Snyder is not on a personal basis, it has more to do with the way he has run the team for the last decade. He could be the greatest guy in the world for all we know of him on a personal level, it's the football decisions he makes that has for a long time rubbed people the wrong way.

not sure i totally agree. most of the local writers have been reasonable, but i think the more national figures always add this personal note. i mean jimmy johnson was condescending i thought. i even remember madden in the first few years of snyder making some fairly unprofessional comments from the booth. i think snyder really rubbed some people the wrong way, and those in a less rigorous media have let him know it.

Keep in mind, most business men who have a lot of money will find a way to make themselves look good yet help themselves against the IRS. ;)

Word. The only two dudes I really believe are "charity-minded" are Gates and Buffet because from what I understand both have committed the bulk of their fortunes...but I'll give blokes like Snyder the benefit of the doubt.