Gibbs says "Mark's the man"

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Riggo44
10-14-2004, 03:17 PM
My conspiracy theory is as follows:
Gibbs is sticking with Brunell because he knows the offense isn't clicking and doesn't want to inflict any more damage on Ramsey. Ramsey is the future QB and if he went in and struggled, everybody would be then calling for his head and where would that leave us?
Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell so he shows the TEAM that he sticks with his guys. When the offense is clicking and Ramsey gets in, he'll be in for a while.

Let's hope it's somthing like that.

SkinsRock
10-14-2004, 03:24 PM
18/29 for 83 yards is not playing your guts out. Yea there have been drops by hs recevers. but there have been far more overthrown balls and one hops one short hitch routes. I am not sure if i Could lower my expectations that much if i was watching a little league game. Much less a Professional football team that has the highest payroll in the league.
I think the point is that the O-line, RB's, TE's, and WR's also played a part in those numbers. One completion instead of a drop can change the entire course of a game (i.e. getting a 1st down and keeping the ball, instead of having to punt), not to mention missed blocking assignments (Betts), and so on. Yeah, a good QB should be able to overcome those things to an extent, but considering the fact that everyone is learning as they go, changing the personnel may not be the best option....yet. (BTW, I'm a big supporter of putting in Ramsey, but I have faith in Gibbs decisions)

Beemnseven
10-14-2004, 03:39 PM
Gibbs is NEVER going to call out one of his players in the media, it's just not gonna happen no matter how poorly a player is performing. Standing behind his players in the press is his MO. He'll always deal with issues in-house.

Keep in mind that just because he publicly has Brunell's back it doesn't mean behind closed doors at Redskins Park he has the same stance. Gibbs has to see Brunell struggling, he also has to know that Ramsey's strong arm could add an interesting dimension to the offense.

Gibbs will make a change when he feels he has no choice. That choice could be coming soon. My prediction is Ramsey will be the starter after the bye if Brunell stinks up the joint in Chicago, and I wouldn't rule out Brunell getting the hook at halftime in Chicago if Brunell is playing poorly.

The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.

SkinsRock
10-14-2004, 03:46 PM
The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.
If throwing 3 INT's is so much worse, I guess you would bench Favre after his awful performance on Monday???
Consider the situation....Ramsey came in to put the ball down the field and try to come back and win the game. At least he didn't "hand" the ball to the defense so they could run it for a TD....in multiple games!

That Guy
10-14-2004, 04:24 PM
The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.
so you'll judge ramsey by one bad half, but brunell gets a free pass on his many many bad halves and the 21 points he gave up...

MTK
10-14-2004, 04:26 PM
I agree that Gibbs is an honest man, but after 23 years of dealing with them from leading teams in two different sports, he knows how to work the media. Yes, he is showing that Brunell has his full support, which he should, but we don't know how much he may be "challenging" him in practice.
That was basically my point. Thanks SkinsRock.

I wasn't questioning Gibbs' honesty, I was just trying to make the point that Gibbs knows how to deal with the media and he doesn't do his dirty laundry in the public's eye.

Some coaches do so and are great at it, Parcells being the obvious one. Gibbs deals with things behind the scenes and keeps a positive spin on things in the media.

Beemnseven
10-20-2004, 05:25 PM
so you'll judge ramsey by one bad half, but brunell gets a free pass on his many many bad halves and the 21 points he gave up...

Whoa, whoa, whoa there. That was just my feeling as to Gibbs' reasoning for sticking with Brunell.

I think Ramsey should play. I just don't think his performance against the Giants did him any favors.

(sorry for the delay in response, I've been away)

Beemnseven
10-20-2004, 05:28 PM
If throwing 3 INT's is so much worse, I guess you would bench Favre after his awful performance on Monday???
Consider the situation....Ramsey came in to put the ball down the field and try to come back and win the game. At least he didn't "hand" the ball to the defense so they could run it for a TD....in multiple games!

First of all, I don't think it's fair to compare Brett Favre with Patrick Ramsey. Favre has shown slightly more than Ramsey has at this point. Don't you agree?

Secondly, Ramsey didn't come in to "put the ball down the field" -- he came in to win -- and very obviously didn't come anywhere close. As far as "handing" the ball to the defense, I don't know how you can describe three interceptions any other way.

RedHokieSkin
10-20-2004, 06:55 PM
The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.
Maybe you're right with regards to what Gibbs saw. Here's what I saw.

I saw the Giants score 10 points off Brunell's turnovers and 0 off Ramsey's. I saw Brunell leave the game after leading the Redskins to a 20-7 deficit at half time (not that this was all his fault). I saw Ramsey come into the game in a bad position and lead his team with authority down the field before Gardner dropped an easy pass in the endzone. I saw Ramsey drive the offense impressively down the field again and score a TD. I saw Ramsey throw 2 picks that were arguably not his fault and a third, in the end zone, that definitely was his fault. I saw Ramsey throw 2 of those picks late in the game when the offense had to throw the ball because of a non-existant running game and time was running out.

I saw that my friends and I actually had hope that we could win the game because Ramsey was playing. If Brunell had stayed in the game, did anyone seriously have a shred of hope that we could mount a comeback?

Personally, though Ramsey made some mistakes, I feel he showed he has a lot of promise. Hopefully Gibbs will admit that Brunell isn't playing as we all had hoped and will give Ramsey a chance in the upcoming weeks.

offiss
10-21-2004, 02:16 AM
Maybe you're right with regards to what Gibbs saw. Here's what I saw.

I saw the Giants score 10 points off Brunell's turnovers and 0 off Ramsey's. I saw Brunell leave the game after leading the Redskins to a 20-7 deficit at half time (not that this was all his fault). I saw Ramsey come into the game in a bad position and lead his team with authority down the field before Gardner dropped an easy pass in the endzone. I saw Ramsey drive the offense impressively down the field again and score a TD. I saw Ramsey throw 2 picks that were arguably not his fault and a third, in the end zone, that definitely was his fault. I saw Ramsey throw 2 of those picks late in the game when the offense had to throw the ball because of a non-existant running game and time was running out.

I saw that my friends and I actually had hope that we could win the game because Ramsey was playing. If Brunell had stayed in the game, did anyone seriously have a shred of hope that we could mount a comeback?

Personally, though Ramsey made some mistakes, I feel he showed he has a lot of promise. Hopefully Gibbs will admit that Brunell isn't playing as we all had hoped and will give Ramsey a chance in the upcoming weeks.



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