Why Gibbs is Sticking with Brunell..my opinion that is.

Yeah...what Crisp said

haha....that's what i was going to say

I agree w/ Crisp.
Brunell hasn't played horribly, but has passed horribly. I'd rather him toss the ball outta bounds than into a defenders hand, but when the WR is wide open and the ball sails outta bounds on account of a hammy its time to put in the healthy guy. Brunell is a good QB and he is obviously hurt. I'm all for starting anyone else that can hit a wide open Coles for a TD even if it's Brian Mitchell. I trust Gibbs and I think in the end of his 2nd tenure w/ the Redskins we will all look back and make sense of this mess. Ramsey is the QB of the future and the future is now. Thing is Brunell is capable of winning a SB if he doesn't turn the ball over in support of our WHOOPASS defense. And well he's scored for the other team several times. If I were the coach Ramsey would be starting against the Pack, but do you remember what happened when he started against the Pack last time? Talk about a low point in Skins history. My bottom line is I'm sticking w/ Gibbs even though I disagree w/ QB starter at present. Coach GIbbs will overcome.
http://www.rpgva.com/rpgblog/images/uploads/inGIBBSwetrustsignTODPARTIN :oink: :oink: :oink:

Come on, when have you ever heard of a player stepping down to give another person a chance. You or I wouldn't do that on our job so why even suggest that for someone else?
Warner kinda did it not too long ago when he told Martz that Bulger should be playing, I think it was a game against Chicago.

Anyway, he caught alot of heat for that, people said he wasn't a true warrior, that guys don't step aside no matter what, blah blah. I imagine if Brunell did step aside the same people that are blasting him now for not doing it, would blast him for doing it.

So of course Brunell isn't going to just step aside, he obviously feels he can play so he's going to keep going back out there. It shouldn't be up to the player, because 99% of the time the player is going to want to play, that's when the coaches have to step in and make the determination that a guy is too hurt to play.

brunell left jacksonville cause he wasn't going to be able to play there, so why do you think he came here?? it wasn't to ride the bench, so i doubt he of all people is going to step down.

Step down?!, Step aside?! This is the nfl. These guys dont step down or aside for anybody or anything. If they did they'd never have the respect of any fan, player or coach again. Once that's gone its all over.

Even Rich Gannon is trying to comeback (this season no less) with broken vertibrae that could leave him permanently disabled. If he wont step aside because of a major health issue there is 0% chance MB will step aside because he's had a few bad games.

unless there's a miracle in the passing game, we won't be getting within 3 TDs of the iggles, let alone splitting games... here's hoping, but 2-4 and in 4th place in our division is a harsh place to suggest playoff aspirations from...

I don't know how long you've been a fan of football or the Redskins for that matter, but much of what the Redskins were able to accomplish came in winning streaks with an average QB , an above average running game and exceptional defense. The defense has made Gibb's job a lot easier during the bye, so the passing plays that he scaled back from will be implemented during week eight. The Twelth man's job is to hope and wish for the unimaginable and let the haters of the Redskins do their job.

sunra, i'll well aware of the history, but right now look at the eagles and look at our offense as well as the team records and who's beaten who... at the current rate, we won't be ready in time. I understand and do root for the skins no matter what, but expecting wins like that is probably just getting set up for disappointment again.

being a fan and deluding myself into thinking the eagles and redskins are equals right now are two different things ;)

Folks:

I did not say that Ramsey was never going to improve. What I said is that if you assume that he will be a star sometime in the very near future, you are drawn to a single conclusion. But that assumption is merely that - an assumption. And assumptions are sometimes right - and sometimes they are dead wrong. How many teams in the NFL assumed that Jeff George would blossom into a star only to realize that he would not?

If you make the assumption that he is a star ready to burst onto the scene, then you are simultaneously indicting the coaching staff for being a bunch of blind and prejudiced and incompetent boobs who can't recognize this imminent greatness. And that gives me a lot of hesitation...

Several NFL teams have gone with young QBs and the results are mixed. Ben Roethlisberger has been super; of course Pittsburgh had no choice but to play him since Maddox was going to be out for 6-8 weeks. Leftwich has the Jags winning in Jax. But Tim Rattay isn't getting it done. The Browns have an improved record and they went out to get an old QB to replace their young guys.

My point is that some young QBs are their teams' best option and they produce success. Others may be the best option a year or two from now, but they aren't all that ready to play just yet.

Lots of people here are 100% sure that Ramsey is ready to play and ready to become a star in the near future. I'm not. I don't know if he will be a star; I think the jury is out unless you are looking at the world through burgandy-and-gold tinted glasses.

Will Ramsey be a better QB than Brunell next year? Maybe.

How about the year after that? Probably.

Will Ramsey be an elite QB in the NFL (in the same category as Manning, McNabb, Culpepper, Brady..) by 2006/07? I hope so, but I have seen nothing that makes me confident of that.

What Brunell brought with him to Jax that Ramesy has not had yet is the chance to be on the sidelines with and to learn from a real pro. It is not Ramsey's fault, but the QBs on the team with him thus far in his NFL career have not exactly been of the Brett Favre/John Elway/Joe Montana caliber. In fact, he might have learned more from Yo Yo Ma than he could have from some of his previous teammates/mentors. And his coaching in terms of the fundamentals of NFL football has been "suspect" up until March 2004.

If I count correctly, Brunell has lost twice as many games as he has won during his Redskin career. I believe that Ramsey has just about the same record. So yes, the discussion started because the Redskins did not come out of the gate with a 5-1 record; but let's be clear about the records of Brunell and Ramsey and Hasselbeck as Redskin starting QBs. None of their records is anything to be proud of.

i think rattay has shown he's not a bad QB, but the 49ers entire cast is a bunch of league minimum guys, so its not like you could really expect much...

roth has been amazing, palmer has been... uhh... why isn't kitna still playing??

the change to griese in TB has definately been nothing but good, and i think that situation is the closest to what we have happening in DC...

either way, right now i just think that ramsey hasn't had a good enough chance to prove himself in this system, and brunell has been nothing short of awful. There are no guarantees though... since brunell is starting at GB, i sure as hell hope he can turn it around and put up more than one TD, or there's a good chance we'll get hosed.