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Ramsey is smarter, as well he's more of a natural QB than any QB Gibb's has had, other than Joey T., to say this kid can't learn, or progress, is a joke, I believe that Ramsey will make mistakes when he get's in there, but he will also make big play's for us as well, and with our D we should still be in much better shape at the end of the game under Ramsey, than with Brunell, and with every game Ramsey will become more comfortable, and commit less mistakes as he learn's, but for us to go forward we need Ramsey in there!

Gibb's has a tough pill to swallow right now, benching Brunell is pretty much admiting we made a huge mistake with him, but not benching him is only compounding the problem.

ramsey does need some speed training though... ever try a fake FG run with him?? omg he's soo slow... he can break tackles though.

Not to beat a dead horse...Chris Landry a former NFL scout was on the Mark Patrick Show on Fox Radio this morning. He said doesn't know what's wrong w/ Brunell, only that he is awful and thinks a change probably needs to take place. He agreed w/ the caller that the offense was bland, but stated thats most likely a confidence factor and that in our 2 WR packages, our WR's are just not getting open consistently. I know i'm restating what we've talked about.

Wilbon was on the right track until he suggested Hasselbeck.

Matty, that does not add up. You say you agree with everything until this - so do I. Synopsis of his statements:

- Brunell is washed up. (Obvious to the most causal observer.)

- Ramsey can not do the job. (Also obvious)

Hey, if you agree with these two assessments (I do, too), then there IS only one answer. You have to go with the unproven guy, who so far has shown a TON of promise. Why go with one of the guys you agree can not do the job?? Logic does not allow that.

yeah... we got good WRs, but they aren't exactly holt/bruce, which makes it harder...

hogskin, if ramsey has proven he can't do the job, then hasslebeck has already proven that he REALLY REALLY can't do the job. he's our QB with more INTS than TDs, and the one with the most INTs against third stingers in the preseason.

you guys are way off base with your hassleback bashing. look at what he did last year when ramsey was out. is your memory that short? i think anybody on the bench could play better than brunell at QB...... that includes, tom tupa, ola kimrin, the waterboy, cheerleaders, cameraman....

you guys are way off base with your hassleback bashing. look at what he did last year when ramsey was out. is your memory that short? i think anybody on the bench could play better than brunell at QB...... that includes, tom tupa, ola kimrin, the waterboy, cheerleaders, cameraman....

Brunell has been horrific thus far, but in Ramsey's one appearance this year he didn't exactly set the world on fire. I don't think Brunell is done, our scouting department did an excellent job on the other acquisitions this year and I don't think they completely missed the boat on Brunell. I do think stability for sake of stability is a good thing. If the running game continues to improve the passing game can't be far behind.

Matty, that does not add up. You say you agree with everything until this - so do I. Synopsis of his statements:

- Brunell is washed up. (Obvious to the most causal observer.)

- Ramsey can not do the job. (Also obvious)

Hey, if you agree with these two assessments (I do, too), then there IS only one answer. You have to go with the unproven guy, who so far has shown a TON of promise. Why go with one of the guys you agree can not do the job?? Logic does not allow that.
Let me clarify a bit, here's my view of our QB situation. Brunell is struggling I agree, Ramsey has also struggled but I believe he can still be our guy someday, Hasselbeck is a decent backup but if we have to go to him for any length of time we're in big trouble.

Brunell is currently playing like he is "washed up", but that doesn't mean he can't turn it around. Over the past few years there have been quite a few QB's that were thought to be done, but came back to perform well.....Warner, Vinny, Maddox, Collins, Gannon, etc. It can happen. I don't necessarily believe Brunell can do it, and would like to see what Ramsey can do, but I'll stick by Gibbs decision (like it even matters what any of us think). Tim Hasselbeck is a great #3, and a decent back-up, but that's it. Like Matty said, if we need him to play for an extended amount of time, we're in trouble anyway.