Who is most responsible for the Redskins loss?

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tryfuhl
12-08-2009, 08:28 AM
People sure love themselves a scapegoat.

Suisham might be burned at the stake this week, but that won't take away from JC taking the ultimate fall for the entire season.
I think that the coaching staff and front office have taken some heat off of Campbell.

freddyg12
12-08-2009, 08:34 AM
I can make a case for Landry.

He was beat twice by a double move. Not only should that not happen to your FS but to do it in a 2 minute drill when your up by a TD is INEXCUSEABLE.


There were many things though that just shouldn't have happened like the Barnes punt turnover, the INT-fumble for TD, the missed short FG. It looked as if it was almost scripted for us to lose...I'm pretty pissed.

Our guys played tough, especially our offense so this loss is hard to swallow. Having this poor season, beating the undefeated Saints would have been memorably inspiring for these guys.


...jeez...I'm too bitter right now to even dwell on this.

Good point. Landry made plays all day, but in a 2 minute deep zone, you can't bite on that fake. I think it's accurate to say that giving up a 53 yard TD in the middle of the field w/under 2 minutes left is almost the equivalent of missing a chip shot fg. It would be one thing if the wr caught it & made him miss, but he let him behind him - inexcusable in that situation.

I hate to say it, but it also looks like poor coaching. All season Landry has played w/out discipline, which is a pretty major flaw for a free safety.

In fairness, the late ST had a terrible 2006 but came back & was playing at an all pro level before his death. Landry has a lot of the same tendencies, going for the big hit, biting on double moves, etc.

SBXVII
12-08-2009, 08:34 AM
People sure love themselves a scapegoat.

Suisham might be burned at the stake this week, but that won't take away from JC taking the ultimate fall for the entire season.


Scapegoat Suisham is. Supposedly they are bringing in 3 new kickers to try out today and supposedly whoever is the best of the 3 will knock off Suish. Laymens terms Suish is gone. Everyone gets what they want.

I'm not making excuses for Suish though. I agree he missed two important FG's in two important games. but to point the finger at one person is crazy. We might as well cut Landry also for falling for the double move twice and allowing the other team to put up 14 points. No FS should allow that.

MTK
12-08-2009, 08:36 AM
There's a chance Suisham wins the kick-off though. He's been in this spot before.

SBXVII
12-08-2009, 08:40 AM
The INT led to a missed FG and overtime. The missed FG from XP distance is inexcusable. Landry gave up 14 points by falling for the same move twice. Moore made the right move until he failed to cover up the ball when running in traffic. It would be stupid for him to lay down and wait to be touched.

Yes it's crazy to think Moore should have simply laid down and waited to be touched. All most all players would have gotten up and tried to make a play. Yes he should have protected the ball better, but my point is had he simply dropped been touched we would still have the ball with decent field position and control of the clock. The team could eat up the clock and hopefully have scored or made a FG. Instead Moore runs around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to make the big play and as we know the Saints are not stupid. They knew that they needed to get the ball back. So they strip him of the ball and no one to stop them easy 7 points. Even the Sellers play, the ball should have been better protected. Most teams who get the ball first in over time win. The Saints were in panic mode. Intercept, strip the ball, do whatever is needed to get the ball back. Guess what? they did.

SBXVII
12-08-2009, 08:45 AM
I think that the coaching staff and front office have taken some heat off of Campbell.

I still have issues with JC but I'll agree he played admirably the last few games. Part of this is due to Lewis I think maybe using plays that will work best for JC.

I hate giving props to Cerrato but the last two draft classes have not been to bad. I would challenge that though by saying that he has been with the team for 9 yrs and only gets 2 draft classes right? He needs to go. Bring in a true GM who will tell DS to simply enjoy what he see's and stop meddling, and build this thing up right for years to come.

mlmdub130
12-08-2009, 08:52 AM
There's a chance Suisham wins the kick-off though. He's been in this spot before.

sure has and always seems to come out on top, they always say he kicks perfect in practice. maybe zorn should throw some pads at him while he is kicking

SBXVII
12-08-2009, 09:21 AM
^ Maybe wrenches? "If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a FG blocker." ;)

tryfuhl
12-08-2009, 11:06 AM
Yes it's crazy to think Moore should have simply laid down and waited to be touched. All most all players would have gotten up and tried to make a play. Yes he should have protected the ball better, but my point is had he simply dropped been touched we would still have the ball with decent field position and control of the clock. The team could eat up the clock and hopefully have scored or made a FG. Instead Moore runs around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to make the big play and as we know the Saints are not stupid. They knew that they needed to get the ball back. So they strip him of the ball and no one to stop them easy 7 points. Even the Sellers play, the ball should have been better protected. Most teams who get the ball first in over time win. The Saints were in panic mode. Intercept, strip the ball, do whatever is needed to get the ball back. Guess what? they did.
He's a safety, they make plays like that... safeties and CBs don't hit the ground and wait to be touched.. hell a lot of LBs don't. We want defensive scoring, you don't get that by laying down.

Monkeydad
12-08-2009, 11:18 AM
sure has and always seems to come out on top, they always say he kicks perfect in practice. maybe zorn should throw some pads at him while he is kicking

Let Haynesworth, Orakpo and Carter attempt a block with only 3 linemen blocking....since that group requires at least 4 blockers. :)

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