Dirtbag59
12-17-2009, 03:08 PM
When you say "oversees the draft process" what exactly does that mean. He wouldnt have any hand in trading the picks away that we do, or deciding who we take in the draft?
I mean I think in terms of the players that we actually take, we take pretty good players with the picks we have, we just at times dont focus on the right positions. Would he have had alot of input in what positions we have gone over the last few years?
I know this post was made a lot earlier in the thread but in regard to Scott Campbell, I heard that a lot of our late draft picks were to be credited to him. Of course at the same time we drafted no OL, so I take that with a grain of salt.
Dirtbag59
12-17-2009, 03:09 PM
One more thing, until Gruden removes all doubt and releases a statement saying he's not interested, not in the running, and hasn't been contacted, he's a candidate in my opinion.
Gruden could end the speculation very easily. His silence speaks volumes.
Still, it hasn't even been a day. Give it time.
Ruhskins
12-17-2009, 03:09 PM
You mean people pull facts from history at share it with people who have thier head burried so deep in the sand they can't see what's going on? Allen's record speaks for itself. Under 500. he's no Messiah. Everyone WANTS him to be, but there's nothing in his record to suggest that he's going to be a "real GM" here or that he will bring any measure of success to this team.
Division titles and 1 Super Bowl appearance are nothing? Shit, this is worst than the time you proposed a straight trade between Campbell and Chris Simms.
Ruhskins
12-17-2009, 03:10 PM
Allen only gets credit for his 5 years as a General Manager. In those five years, Tampa Bay posted a record under .500, won the division twice, and lost in the wild card round both times.
What about his record in Oakland? You are conveniently not mentioning that in your posts.
Dirtbag59
12-17-2009, 03:10 PM
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BigHairedAristocrat
12-17-2009, 03:11 PM
What's a "real" GM?
Allen didn't make the decisions in Tampa. Gruden did. Allen was just a yes man with a GM title. And his record was under .500.
A "real GM" would be what we - the fans - have been screaming for for years - a guy who would run the football operation and not just be Snyder's yes man. Don't beleive the BS from the press conference. Snyder and/or our new HC will be pulling all the strings. Allen is just a figurehead with connections to the team that Snyder's using to pacify the fanbase.
skinsfan69
12-17-2009, 03:12 PM
You mean people pull facts from history at share it with people who have thier head burried so deep in the sand they can't see what's going on? Allen's record speaks for itself. Under 500. he's no Messiah. Everyone WANTS him to be, but there's nothing in his record to suggest that he's going to be a "real GM" here or that he will bring any measure of success to this team.
Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.
Ruhskins
12-17-2009, 03:12 PM
Allen didn't make the decisions in Tampa. Gruden did. Allen was just a yes man with a GM title. And his record was under .500.
A "real GM" would be what we - the fans - have been screaming for for years - a guy who would run the football operation and not just be Snyder's yes man. Don't beleive the BS from the press conference. Snyder and/or our new HC will be pulling all the strings. Allen is just a figurehead with connections to the team that Snyder's using to pacify the fanbase.
Great, go root for another team...come on, go.
Ruhskins
12-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.
According to BHA that didn't exist.
Dirtbag59
12-17-2009, 03:14 PM
Only thing that worries me about Gruden is that fact that he runs a VERY complicated system. I mean it's still the WCO, but as I said before he definitely runs one of the more complex schemes in the league. Weather or not he's more complicated then Al Saunders remains to be seen.