the great Joe Bugel

Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.

How about injuries to your best 3 lineman? Samuels, Thomas and Jansen. This year even the backups were injured which made 3rd and 4th stringers start. Who would you consider a better OL coach in your opinion?

Put him in the Ring of Honor if that makes you feel good. He had one great run with OLs in the 1980s and had 4 Hall of Fame level talents play most of that time on his offensive lines. I'm not saying he is a bum or a failure; I am saying that his achievements have to be measured in terms of the contributions that others handed to him. That's all.I'm saying that at least 3 of those 4 HoF caliber players would likely not be in that position without Joe Bugel's coaching. I wouldn't put anyone in the Ring of Honor to feel good, only if they deserve it....and Buges certainly does.

Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.I know my numbers in the post were a little hard to read due to the formatting, but Buges' OLs have performed very well for 19 out of 25 years since 1977. I don't know how else to explain that you can't summarize 25+ years of coaching in the final two years of Buges' career, coaching a system (Zone Blocking) he wasn't experienced with, with a dysfunctional FO and coaching staff/structure surrounding him.

Peace!

I'm saying that at least 3 of those 4 HoF caliber players would likely not be in that position without Joe Bugel's coaching. I wouldn't put anyone in the Ring of Honor to feel good, only if they deserve it....and Buges certainly does.

I know my numbers in the post were a little hard to read due to the formatting, but Buges' OLs have performed very well for 19 out of 25 years since 1977. I don't know how else to explain that you can't summarize 25+ years of coaching in the final two years of Buges' career, coaching a system (Zone Blocking) he wasn't experienced with, with a dysfunctional FO and coaching staff/structure surrounding him. Well said SS33 . He took T) Starke # 74 and eliminated all those holding penalties . Other's G) F. Dean , C) Bostic < cut/philly > , G) R Mckenzie .... we won 3 Super Bowls with 3 diff. QB's being protected by Buges line . We also had diff. starting RB's in all three SB wins . No coach wins SB rings with poor talent , Buges took no names and gave OL ... a name .... HOGS #1 ... Thanks coach Buges .... good luck in all you do !

Put him in the Ring of Honor if that makes you feel good. He had one great run with OLs in the 1980s and had 4 Hall of Fame level talents play most of that time on his offensive lines. I'm not saying he is a bum or a failure; I am saying that his achievements have to be measured in terms of the contributions that others handed to him. That's all.

Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.

Do you feel the same about Joe Gibbs? he never won a SB without the hogs. His teams struggled without superior talent.

Would Jacoby have been as successful if he played for another team?
I doubt it.

Lachey and May are the only two players who are superior athletes. Jacoby and Grimm didn't come out of college playing like hall of famers.

:doh: haters dont have to post on an appreciation thread...

I say this, it takes a good coach to develop players into hall of fame status. I understand that it takes a good GM to find the talent, but without a good coach, a HOF players is an average player. Just my opinion.