QB Class gets weaker

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Dirtbag59
01-08-2010, 01:57 PM
Dirtbag is the interior where we need to start or at tackle?, or are you considering Tupati the best available lineman at any position at that point?

Dude didn't you get the memo? Iupati is sooooooo out. Ducasse, is now in vogue. Guy is not only huge but athletic. Shannahan needs the athletic part but when you add size it's a huge bonus. Thing is most athletic lineman are either under 300 or barely 300, doesn't mean that Shannahan doesn't like big guys just that most big guys don't usually have the level of footwork that the lighter guys bring to the table.

But yeah, I think we need five guys and I think taking the best guard at the top of the second round will help us more in the long run then drafting maybe the 5th or 6th best tackle. I'd rather draft an overlooked tackle in the fourth round, sign a veteran free agent and see if we can get a tackle in the first round the following year if it meant getting a pro bowl caliber guard in the second.

Dirtbag59
01-08-2010, 02:01 PM
Bradford does appear to be the best QB in the draft, but isn't 4 a little high for a QB who played two full seasons on a great team, and then...injuries and guesswork? 4 is actually really high for that.

If we're going to run the Shanahan system, I don't see a single advantage that Bradford offers over McCoy. In a more vertically adept system, possibly a future Redskins offense, I could see how Bradford would be more accomplished and more versatile, and offer more long term value over McCoy, but if one guy will be picked in the top fifteen picks, and the other will be picked in the second round, would their not be an advantage to spending the first round pick on talent at a different position?

Perhaps the gap between the No. 2 offensive tackle and No. 6 offensive tackle in this draft is just as small as the differences between McCoy and Bradford, in which case it hardly matters which direction we go. But I'd have to believe we could get a much better player with the 4th overall pick than an Iupati or Bulaga equivelent with the second round pick. At least, that's the assumption this analysis is operating on.

If the Redskins feel that McCoy and Bradford are on the same level then I'll be all for them drafting McCoy. It's just that Shannahn seems to have a desire to throw the ball down field a little more then the traditional WCO and Bradford is good at getting the ball downfield. I've said this before but I think with Shannahan's coaching Bradford can be on par with Phillip Rivers.

Anyway yeah, lot of time between now and the draft for the front office to figure this out, but for the first time in a while I'm going to be able to sit back and not worry so much about what the front office does. So if they draft Okung first I'll be happy, Bradford - happy, trade down - happy.

In the meantime I got to look into this Bulaga guy. Your post is about the fourth or fifth time I've heard him mentioned on the forum.

SmootSmack
01-08-2010, 02:03 PM
Sacks Taken/(Passing attempts + Sacks Taken)

Using career numbers.

I know you're wondering...John Skelton would be 7th (I think) on your list

redskin37
01-08-2010, 02:06 PM
I hope we don't use the 4th pick to take any of these guys . They all have major question marks. Trade down , then best tackle and guard on the board in that order.

Dirtbag59
01-08-2010, 02:07 PM
Just wanted to add that if Bulaga is an athletic lineman and available at the top of the second then I would love for the Skins to take him. It's just that these days it's easy for 5 tackles to get drafted in the first round and right now Bulaga is considered the fifth best tackle.

SmootSmack
01-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Bulaga is much better suited for RT

Lotus
01-08-2010, 02:10 PM
Dude didn't you get the memo? Iupati is sooooooo out. Ducasse, is now in vogue. Guy is not only huge but athletic. Shannahan needs the athletic part but when you add size it's a huge bonus. Thing is most athletic lineman are either under 300 or barely 300, doesn't mean that Shannahan doesn't like big guys just that most big guys don't usually have the level of footwork that the lighter guys bring to the table.

But yeah, I think we need five guys and I think taking the best guard at the top of the second round will help us more in the long run then drafting maybe the 5th or 6th best tackle. I'd rather draft an overlooked tackle in the fourth round, sign a veteran free agent and see if we can get a tackle in the first round the following year if it meant getting a pro bowl caliber guard in the second.

We should draft him simply because his name is "Vladamir." You can't have enough Vlads on your football team.

rbanerjee23
01-08-2010, 02:23 PM
Did we cut Brennan? Don't we already have a young qb to learn the new system? Are these guys magicly better because they are available in this years draft. Lets worry bout the Oline and Secondary.

Amen..I really think CB/Safety are a pretty big priority after the OL...didn't we get burned time and time again for big pass plays?

freddyg12
01-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Dude didn't you get the memo? Iupati is sooooooo out. Ducasse, is now in vogue. Guy is not only huge but athletic. Shannahan needs the athletic part but when you add size it's a huge bonus. Thing is most athletic lineman are either under 300 or barely 300, doesn't mean that Shannahan doesn't like big guys just that most big guys don't usually have the level of footwork that the lighter guys bring to the table.

But yeah, I think we need five guys and I think taking the best guard at the top of the second round will help us more in the long run then drafting maybe the 5th or 6th best tackle. I'd rather draft an overlooked tackle in the fourth round, sign a veteran free agent and see if we can get a tackle in the first round the following year if it meant getting a pro bowl caliber guard in the second.

Any opinion of Sergio Render, G, from Va. Tech? I think he'd fit into the zone blocking scheme, though that's not what he's used to.

Big C
01-08-2010, 02:37 PM
Any opinion of Sergio Render, G, from Va. Tech? I think he'd fit into the zone blocking scheme, though that's not what he's used to.

sergio is pretty good. but i dont think hes worth anything above a 3rd or 4th round pick.

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