Failed Completions

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GTripp0012
01-15-2010, 04:59 PM
i dont know how relevant this is but more than 2,000 of JCs 3600 yds passing came after the catch. that means something like 67.8% of his yards were YAC..... by far the most in the NFL last year.

i dont know how to interpret that 67.8 stat b/c YAC is a good thing, especialy in a west coast type offense. the part that gets me is just how much higher JC's percent of passing yds came YAC compared to any other qb. i would think leading teh league in YAC would be indicative of a proficient offense but after seeing this season im starting to think to much YAC has to be a negative indication of something, too many check downs? i dont know.I can verify the validity of this. Campbell led the league in YAC from his receivers.

GTripp0012
01-15-2010, 05:03 PM
Well, when you yac too much it makes your stomach hurt. :)

Good article GTripp, I just don't know how to apply it to come to any conclusions.It might not mean anything. Next year's top ten list could be void of 7 or 8 names on this list, including Campbells.

Or it might mean a lot about players who "check down" a lot. It's anyones guess really.

saden1
01-15-2010, 06:19 PM
That's some great analysis. JC is really a good QB and I am miffed at how much hate he gets. I wonder sometimes if these people are watching the same game.

saden1
01-15-2010, 07:50 PM
Well, when you yac too much it makes your stomach hurt. :)

Good article GTripp, I just don't know how to apply it to come to any conclusions.

It means he is a capable reader of what defenses are doing and makes the necessary adjustment. He's not great at it but he is good at it contrary to popular belief. When he dumps it off a high percentage of his dump offs go for a modest gain at the very least and when he passes it to a receiver that receiver is wide open and gets mad YAC. He has done a pretty good job despite not having a decent offensive line, a capable running back, and good play caller for much of the year.

With better personal, coaching, and play calling the sky is the limit for JC.

NYCskinfan82
01-15-2010, 08:01 PM
It means he is a capable reader of what defenses are doing and makes the necessary adjustment. He's not great at it but he is good at it contrary to popular belief. When he dumps it off a high percentage of his dump offs go for a modest gain at the very least and when he passes it to a receiver that receiver is wide open and gets mad YAC. He has done a pretty good job despite not having a decent offensive line, a capable running back, and good play caller for much of the year.

With better personal, coaching, and play calling the sky is the limit for JC.

I agree

jdlea
01-15-2010, 08:41 PM
But...but...the Skins should have gotten rid of Campbell for Cutler...

Who leads that list? Oh, damn, that's Jay Cutler's name, but he's a franchise QB with all the tools and a big arm and he takes shots...well, at least he doesn't throw any picks

[/sarcasm]

tryfuhl
01-16-2010, 03:07 AM
tell your boy to measure that vs how many completions either scored or were part of a scoring drive

it's not all JC no doubt, but it's not all some pretty number either

GTripp0012
01-16-2010, 02:11 PM
tell your boy to measure that vs how many completions either scored or were part of a scoring drive

it's not all JC no doubt, but it's not all some pretty number eitherHow would that be relevant to anything?

I'd imagine it would just be very positively correlated to passing attempts. Which means that Campbell would rank in the middle of the league. As he seems to do with everything.

Redskin301
01-16-2010, 02:30 PM
I think if JC had and Oline he might do Somthing but he holds on to the ball for too long

Slingin Sammy 33
01-17-2010, 10:33 AM
Aaron Schatz, over at football outsiders, released this list (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/stat-day-failed-completions) today of failed completions, which is designed to measure how frequent a quarterback ineffectively dumps the ball off, and not enough yardage is gained to constitute a "successful" play.

As I'm sure a bunch of people (myself included) suspected, Jason Campbell is on the list of top ten quarterbacks in failed completions. He's actually tied for ninth with Peyton Manning with 79 "unsuccessful" completions (24% of his total completions). What's more interesting, to me at least, is some of the players higher up on the list.I read the link and without doing some of my own digging onto stats, one thing pops out at me. The analysis counts "failed completions" as plays of less than 4.5 yd on 1st, 60% on second down (obviously this will vary), and 100% on 3rd or 4th (no problem on that). I would like to see the numbers on just the 3rd & 4th down percentages, I think that's much more telling, because if a team is passing on those downs then the QB is in a position to have to "make a play", good ones do, mediocre/poor ones don't.

My first thought on why Orton, Brees, Manning, and Schaub are up there is their style of offense and lack of emphasis on the running game (yes I know the Saints were 6th in rushing, but they are a "pass first" offense), so a 4 yd smoke, bubble, or whatever, would count as an "unsuccessful" completion, yet it's just as good as a 4 yd run. on first down.

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