Once Again Officials Take Control of the Game!!!

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FRPLG
11-01-2004, 08:23 AM
They said Thrash wasn't set before the snap.

I can see their point, kinda, I guess he wasn't "set" for a full second like you're supposed to be, but that kind of stuff happens all game long in every game around the league.

It was a really, really touchy call. Not that kind of call you want to see take points off the board that's for damn sure.

Actually they said the RB was in motion toward the line of scrimage. Well, Portis wasn't moving at any time so first they blew who even did it and then when you look at the replay no one is moving towards the line. Thrash is the only motion guy so it has to be on him. When watching the replay he clearly walks the line of getting set but it is NOT an obvious penalty and I think I agree with the guy who asked whether the Pack would be complaining if the call wasn't made. I am sure we'd have never even heard about this.

Man I am so pissed off. I am glad we are are not hearing too much crap about how westill should have won if only we had played better. This is the damn NFL where the difference between the best team in the league and the worst is almost nothing. You can't be expected to play both the team ooposing team and the Refs. The refs for this game ought to be suspended for one game and made to publicly apologize for the call.

This is what pisses me off about Instant Replay. My feeling is that if anything is going to be reviewable then EVERYTHING should be reviewable. It makes no logical sense that we leave some calls up to the ref with other calls being reviewable. Explain to me why this play shouldn't be reviewable(versus why others are) and I will give you props.

MTK
11-01-2004, 08:45 AM
The call was horseshit and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

I know some will say you shouldn't let yourself be in a position where the refs can decide the game, BUT, in the NFL where games can be so tight and decided on just a few key plays, refs can definitely have a huge effect on the outcome.

This 'penalty' wasn't one that had an effect on the play, it wasn't holding, it wasn't pass interference, and on top of everything it wasn't a clear and undisputable foul. Players set themselves like that all the time. Was he set for the full one second that the rules require? Probably not, but who does get set for a full second every time?

If the refs wanted to they could call that penalty several times per game in every game around the NFL. It was just a ridiculous call, they took the game out of the hands of the players, and that's a shame.

I think it's worth noting we could be 4-3 right now if it wasn't for some pathetic calls/non-calls against Dallas and now Green Bay, and it also shows just how thin the line is between winning and losing.

FRPLG
11-01-2004, 09:14 AM
Anyone else think the play-by-play guys blew hard chunks too? This was clearly a major issue either way and they barely talked about it. They also sucked all game by the way. In fact the whole production blew. How about early int eh game where Green Bay got a first down on a definitely dubious play where the receiver fell down and caught the while it was boucning around. FOX NEVER EVEN SHOWED A DAMN REPLAY!!!!!!!!! Don't the teams rely on tv to show replays so they can decide whether to callenge? There is another major flaw in the replay system. You have to rely on the networks to show replays/ This is all fine and dandy when you have the A-team like Madden adn Michales or the Joe Buck team since they get the best directors and producers as well as more cameras for more better angels. But when you get the d-team like we did we get like one guy running up an down the sideline with a digital video camera and Corky in the booth getting replays up. Damn I am pissed off. I feel need the need to start breaking things.

CRT3
11-01-2004, 09:33 AM
Ok a few answers to this thread that will go on for ever.

Sunra the flag was thrown right as the play began. I was at the game and everybody around me picked it up. The linesman on the packers side threw it. So it was not thrown during the celebration.

Thrash was in motion and stopped to set himself at the line. The call is made because he has to be set for what I believe is a second. He stopped and the play went off. So this is a legitimate call but very picky.

The only thing that can be said is what I said at the very begginning of the game. This game will be decied by the officials because it is Tom Whites crew. This crew has been notorius for some of the biggest foul ups in games. This should be no surprise to anybody.

SUNRA
11-01-2004, 09:37 AM
The call was horseshit and the more I think about it the more it pisses me off.

I know some will say you shouldn't let yourself be in a position where the refs can decide the game, BUT, in the NFL where games can be so tight and decided on just a few key plays, refs can definitely have a huge effect on the outcome.

This 'penalty' wasn't one that had an effect on the play, it wasn't holding, it wasn't pass interference, and on top of everything it wasn't a clear and undisputable foul. Players set themselves like that all the time. Was he set for the full one second that the rules require? Probably not, but who does get set for a full second every time?

If the refs wanted to they could call that penalty several times per game in every game around the NFL. It was just a ridiculous call, they took the game out of the hands of the players, and that's a shame.

I think it's worth noting we could be 4-3 right now if it wasn't for some pathetic calls/non-calls against Dallas and now Green Bay, and it also shows just how thin the line is between winning and losing.


The bullshit is nobody saw when the flag actually was thrown. Why didn't they stop the play like they do when there is a false start at the line? I think the officials huddling together was about what lie would be told. Don Breaux said the officials first said it was Portis, then another said it was Thrash. Either way, like you mentioned it didn't affect the play in any way.

CRT3
11-01-2004, 10:10 AM
Sunra I saw the flag thrown as the play began. Everybody around me in my section at the game saw the flag thrown. And what was said was the Rbacker was the one who moved, not a player by name. So he just gave a explanation even thought the guy in motion was Thrash who was not set for a full second.

firstdown
11-01-2004, 10:16 AM
Does anyone know if the call on Thrash was a penalty we could have of challenged?

MTK
11-01-2004, 10:29 AM
Does anyone know if the call on Thrash was a penalty we could have of challenged?
No, it's not reviewable. I don't think any penalties are.

Figures, we seem to always get screwed on the non-reviewable calls.

redwagonskins
11-01-2004, 10:39 AM
What blows my mind is that they make that ticky tack call to nullify a TD and then make no call as Gardners jersey is ripped from his shoulder. This season has really sucked for our boys getting any calls from the refs.

MTK
11-01-2004, 10:45 AM
The bad calls have only added to the frustration. Injuries, poor execution, turnovers, etc. When it rains, it pours as the saying goes. I feel bad for the team, they've gotta be scratching their heads after a game like that.

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