RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)

I'll just repost what I wrote earlier

Marshall is an unbelievable talent, but it's a stretch to say that he is a "must have" for us. In four years in Denver, the Broncos never made the playoffs, finished above 500 (9-7) only once and the offense never finished in the top half of the NFL.

Do we really think we're that close that we can give up draft picks for a guy who alone won't make much of a difference in getting us to being a winning franchise again? I'd rather have four guys catch 5 passes on a 12-4 playoff team than one guy catch 20 on an 8-8 golfing in december team

Well said. Why on earth would we ship away multiple picks for a malcontent WR when we have such pressing needs at other positions? I think Devin Thomas is well on his way to being the playmaker we hoped he'd be when he was drafted.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. Giving up multiple draft picks for this guy would be exactly that.

Sorry Tripp but I don't judge guys on metrics. And neither does anyone that plays in the NFL. Above average players simply don't catch 20 + passes on two different occasion, put up 100 + catches 3 years in a row. It just doesn't happen. I mean the guy had 100 catches w/ Kyle Orton as his QB, plus he missed a game. His credentials on the field speak for themsleves. We haven't seen that type of production at the WR spot since the Posse days. You may not know what he is at this point but I think the rest of the NFL does. And I can promise you the NFL and the guys who defend him don't think of Brandon Marshall as an above average player.

Agreed, I don't know of too many "fringe #1" types that put up 3 consecutive 100+ catch seasons. Those are some serious big boy numbers.

Well said. Why on earth would we ship away multiple picks for a malcontent WR when we have such pressing needs at other positions? I think Devin Thomas is well on his way to being the playmaker we hoped he'd be when he was drafted.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. Giving up multiple draft picks for this guy would be exactly that.

Whoah stop the presses...

You feeling ok? ;)

I'll just repost what I wrote earlier

Marshall is an unbelievable talent, but it's a stretch to say that he is a "must have" for us. In four years in Denver, the Broncos never made the playoffs, finished above 500 (9-7) only once and the offense never finished in the top half of the NFL.

Do we really think we're that close that we can give up draft picks for a guy who alone won't make much of a difference in getting us to being a winning franchise again? I'd rather have four guys catch 5 passes on a 12-4 playoff team than one guy catch 20 on an 8-8 golfing in december team

who cares if they didn't make the playoffs? it sure wasn't his fault. we don't have any true studs on offense. all we have is some maybe's... when you bring a guy like marshall it opens up the running game, it opens stuff up for the TE's underneath, the 2nd and 3rd wr's will get single coverage, it will help jc. remember how important burress was during the giants sb run?? we're not talking about brandon lloyd here. if the price is right allen and shanahan need to try and make the deal.

Well said. Why on earth would we ship away multiple picks for a malcontent WR when we have such pressing needs at other positions? I think Devin Thomas is well on his way to being the playmaker we hoped he'd be when he was drafted.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. Giving up multiple draft picks for this guy would be exactly that.

Thomas had one good game against New Orleans who were bringing in d-backs in off the street. Overall he had something like 20 some catches for the year?? Marshall had that in one game. lol. I'm not saying we give up on these guys but either they start producing next year or good bye.

who cares if they didn't make the playoffs? it sure wasn't his fault. we don't have any true studs on offense. all we have is some maybe's... when you bring a guy like marshall it opens up the running game, it opens stuff up for the TE's underneath, the 2nd and 3rd wr's will get single coverage, it will help jc. remember how important burress was during the giants sb run?? we're not talking about brandon lloyd here. if the price is right allen and shanahan need to try and make the deal.

Didn't say it was his fault. Just saying that even with his great numbers they still were never a playoff team. I'm saying in the grand scheme of things his gaudy numbers are irrelevant. I'd rather hold on to our draft picks, and develop something with the receivers we have

who cares if they didn't make the playoffs? it sure wasn't his fault. we don't have any true studs on offense. all we have is some maybe's... when you bring a guy like marshall it opens up the running game, it opens stuff up for the TE's underneath, the 2nd and 3rd wr's will get single coverage, it will help jc. remember how important burress was during the giants sb run?? we're not talking about brandon lloyd here. if the price is right allen and shanahan need to try and make the deal.

If we got Marshall I'm just wondering how long it would take before you would call him a bitch, say you're sick of his act, his complaining, etc.

Sorry Tripp but I don't judge guys on metrics. And neither does anyone that plays in the NFL. Above average players simply don't catch 20 + passes on two different occasion, put up 100 + catches 3 years in a row. It just doesn't happen. I mean the guy had 100 catches w/ Kyle Orton as his QB, plus he missed a game. His credentials on the field speak for themsleves. We haven't seen that type of production at the WR spot since the Posse days. You may not know what he is at this point but I think the rest of the NFL does. And I can promise you the NFL and the guys who defend him don't think of Brandon Marshall as an above average player.So, would you say that it's the football guy who wanted to cut him (Shanahan) who doesn't know what he is at this point, or the current coach who wants to trade him rather than work with him (McDaniels)? Or are they not "football people" if they disagree with you?

Also, do not bother to tell me that you don't judge guys on metrics, while spitting two or three different metrics back at me as to why your point should be considered. You absolutely do use stats to back your points, but high receptions don't tell you anything about the effectiveness of a given player. In a vacuum, high reception players are better than low reception players, but Marshall isn't being compared to Early Doucet and Sam Hurd here. I don't think that Marshall's 100 catch seasons should be ignored, but if most of his catches don't produce first downs, he's not an elite player. Period.

If the Broncos can get a bunch of draft picks and a quarterback or a defensive player for Marshall, more power to them. He'll probably be the No. 1 wherever he goes next , and maybe at some point in his career, he'll play with a defense that will get him into the postseason. He'll always make those highlight reel catches because he's highly skilled at them, but Marshall shouldn't be mentioned with the best in the game. If he is, then his reception total is being overvalued, which, believe it or not, is a stat.

To clarify: if the Redskins acquired Marshall, he'd be our No. 1. If the Cowboys or Giants got him, he'd be their No. 2. If the Packers or Patriots or Cardinals got him, he'd be their No. 3.

Obviously, none of those teams at the end would be interested in trading for him, because they don't need a third WR, but I don't know if Marshall would be a No. 1 on more than half the teams in this league. I suspect (but have not checked) that he wouldn't be.

If we got Marshall I'm just wondering how long it would take before you would call him a bitch, say you're sick of his act, his complaining, etc.

:laughing2 No s**t. He didn't even want to play through an injury when the playoffs were on the line. Of course I guess that's not as bad as going to a basketball game on a bad ankle. :laughing-