Time to Build an Offensive Line

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Ruhskins
02-19-2010, 01:56 AM
LT: Charles Brown USC(2nd round), Levi Jones
LG: Dockery, Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts (FA)
C: Matt Tennant (4th round), Ben Hamilton, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger
RG: Chris Kuper, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger, Shelly Smith (7th round pick)
RT: Jason Fox (5th round pick), Stephon Heyer, Tony Pashos

Draft Bradford, If he's gone, get Okung in the first and Maurkice Pouncey in the second, and mitch petrus in the fourth.

So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.

Ruhskins
02-19-2010, 02:12 AM
Damnit Ruhskins, I wasn't even going to worry about discussing real issues until the middle of March. Look what you're doing to my schedule!!!

First of all, I think we have to leverage the 4th overall pick into one of three franchise left tackles. Guys who can actually play the position are in crazy high demand, and if you wait until the second round, you get a guy who might end up being Tony Ugoh or Duane Brown. This seems like the type of player that Bruce Campbell might be. A fringe LT prospect who should make a good RT. But there are also a lot of really interesting RTs in this draft that, once we nail down the LT position (or at least we think we do) opens up the rest of the draft to address other spot on our line at a leisurely pace.

I have Anthony Davis and Russell Okung 1 and 1a at LT on my draft board. I'm more worried about Brian Bulaga at that position. One of the advantages of picking in the top five is that, even if Bulaga is the best prospect, you don't have to worry about taking him that high if the marginal value between him and say, Charles Brown, or my guy Trent Williams, or even linemate Kyle Calloway isn't really all that great.

If it was me, I would take Okung. I can see the allure of Davis, however. He's perhaps more of a natural athlete, even if he's more raw as a lineman. If one's gone, I'd take the other. I don't think either is as good as Michael Oher, but then again, there isn't a pass rusher in this draft as strong as Orakpo.

I'm very skeptical to say that we will pick at 37 in the second round. I think we'll either trade up for a quarterback/defensive stud, or down for a receiver/safety or for value. If we stay there, I like trying to grab an elite interior lineman if Iupati or Pouncey is there, or a very good right tackle prospect if they aren't.

In the 4th round, I would take Matt Tennant if he falls that far, but there's also a good chance that we might use this pick to trade up from the second round back to the bottom of the first. After the fourth round, we're getting into a strict BPA range. Developmental tackles on the cheap are always fun (Sam Young?), but adding a guard tends to offer better long term prospects, particularly if we solidify the tackle situation in the early rounds.

I also want to sign Casey Wiegmann to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal if we don't land Pouncey or Tennant.

Sorry for putting you ahead of schedule Tripp. LOL. It's just that I was getting of sick of everyone breaking down the the whole drafting a QB like they were John Clayton, meanwhile when anyone would mention the offensive line the typical response is "oh, Shanhan can build an offensive line with just about anyone."

In regards to your post, when looking at both Okung and Davis, if we drafted Davis could he start at LT right away?

Also, any thoughts on Bruce Campbell? Could he be available later in the first round if we were somehow to trade down from the 4th spot?

diehardskin2982
02-19-2010, 02:31 AM
If we opted to trade dockery what would bring for us?

Ruhskins
02-19-2010, 02:39 AM
If we opted to trade dockery what would bring for us?

I highly doubt that we would trade the only starter-caliber offensive lineman we have on the team.

SmootSmack
02-19-2010, 08:02 AM
I think Rodger Saffold from Indiana might be a good 4th-5th round choice

Been hearing some talk of Selvish Capers in the 2nd round for the Skins this week. Not sure what to make of that.

CultBrennan59
02-19-2010, 09:21 AM
So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.

Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.

budw38
02-19-2010, 09:26 AM
We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!! :)

Ruhskins
02-19-2010, 09:27 AM
Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.

From the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_14314460)'s Mike Klis.

I believe Kuper will be back. Yes, McDaniels wants to strengthen his offensive interior line. And yes, Kuper, as a right guard, is an interior lineman who was drafted by the Broncos in 2006 as a prototype zone blocker. But Kuper is too young, too talented, too competitive, and even as a restricted free agent, too inexpensive to let go. Chris Kupers are simply too difficult to find to let go.

Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.

We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!! :)

Nice!

budw38
02-19-2010, 09:31 AM
From the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_14314460)'s Mike Klis.



Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.



Nice!
Good morning . I would love for the Skins to sign 2 OL in F/A , and draft two more .... then we would have a shot at contending for the playoffs , I wouldn't bet my next paycheck on that .... but we can always hope for the best !

MTK
02-19-2010, 09:31 AM
With a limited FA pool this year I think a lot of teams are going to hold on to their own guys even if they aren't an ideal fit.

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