53Fan
02-27-2010, 10:41 PM
What? Where do you get that?
I don't think it's a secret a lot of ND fans weren't happy with him.
Every Notre Dame Fan In Country A Suspect In Jimmy Clausen Punching (http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/clausen_full.htm)
53Fan
02-27-2010, 11:12 PM
I had read somewhere that Clausen wouldn't even be able to have a Pro Day because of his surgery but couldn't find where I read it. This kind of confirms it and says Sheftler and Clayton both believe the Rams will take Bradford #1. I knew Sheftler thought that but didn't know Clayton agreed with him.
WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Mailbag (http://walterfootball.com/draftmailbag2010_combine.php)
CRedskinsRule
02-27-2010, 11:16 PM
But my understanding is that both Sheftler and Clayton are basing it on the fact that you have to take a QB at that spot over a DT. But Spagnola said that they will take the best player, which would not be any of the qb's in this class
Dirtbag59
02-27-2010, 11:18 PM
I don't think it's a secret a lot of ND fans weren't happy with him.
Every Notre Dame Fan In Country A Suspect In Jimmy Clausen Punching (http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/clausen_full.htm)
Thats a satirical piece based on an incident in which Clausen stood up to a guy who pushed his girlfriend. Someone who comes to the defense of people he cares about, I wouldn't call that a character flaw. I'm talking about quotes from Notre Dame students that have met him, talked with him.
I think that this post from Hogs Haven was a great piece and paints a very good picture of the type of player Jimmy Clausen is:
Jimmy Clausen Pro/Cons from Southbend Campus; Great Athlete but Not a Leader - Hogs Haven (http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/24/1324034/jimmy-clausen-pro-cons-from)
Pros:
First of all, he didn't bitch unless he noticed someone not hustling (something that he really didn't like), he was a team guy. People don't think he is out there for stats, he apparently loves football and has a huge desire to win.
He is very passionate about the sport, he is dedicated to being the best he can be, he is a competitor and will do anything to win, he hangs out with the football players, he is maturing very well.
Cons:
Just about everyone pointed to the fact that he is not a natural leader. They refused to give particular examples but just about everyone respects him. One player said, "If the Redskins are looking for a great leader, someone to bring the locker room together, and ignite a new desire to win, look elsewhere. But his football ability is unquestionable."
Clausen has this larger than life mentality. Word is that he showed up to campus his freshman year wearing a crown, but that might be a little irrelevant because then he was just a 19 year old kid. He has a very pompous attitude and is no fun to talk to, but then again I am not on the football team. He was punched in the face outside a bar following the UCONN game which we lost. Some people there said that he instigated it, but I don't know for sure. People around campus don't like him. Girls think he is ugly, guys think he is a cocky prick.
He tries to be the team leader but lacks natural skills. He apparently puts forth the effort. The team appreciates this and trusts his abilities on the field. [One teammate] said going in [when he first joined the team], he thought Clausen was going to be a prick. It turns out that he does not fit the profile others believe him to have. He is a little immature and likes to have fun but never takes it too far. And again it was noted that he is maturing.
For the most part the bolded section is all I need to know.
Mel Kiper: People keep questioning his size and I don't understand why. What's wrong with 6-2.5, 220. That's ideal size. In addition to that, his arm strength is above average. Some have said he's maxed out physically. I don't understand that. His arm strength will improve once he gets to the NFL. That's been proven. He's tough. He played with the flu and the toe injury. He played with a team that didn't have a great supporting cast. The defense was awful. He had four games where he won on the final drive.
Uh, tiny hands IS an issue. I would be spraying him with a hose as he threw to see how his grip is.
When it comes down to it, I don't think any of the QBs are worth taking at 4.
Come on, the guy played football in Indiana. There has to be at least a few games of him playing in bad weather.
SmootSmack
02-27-2010, 11:20 PM
Well like I said the other day there are a few people here in addition to Schefter and Clayton (though technically Clayton isn't ever really here) who have been saying privately for a couple of weeks now that they think Bradford will go number one.
I've thought it'll be McCoy but they get paid to do this, I don't
GMScud
02-27-2010, 11:42 PM
THE DOWNFALL OF NOTRE DAME FOOTBALL IN PICTURES:
Florida's Tim Tebow:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image002.jpg
Southern Cal's Mark Sanchez:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image1.jpg
Texas' Colt McCoy:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image3.jpg
Georgia's Matt Stafford:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image4.jpg
And finally, Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image5.jpg
SmootSmack
02-27-2010, 11:50 PM
Woah! L to R our future LT, our future QB, and our future RG
53Fan
02-27-2010, 11:51 PM
Thats a satirical piece based on an incident in which Clausen stood up to a guy who pushed his girlfriend. Someone who comes to the defense of people he cares about, I wouldn't call that a character flaw. I'm talking about quotes from Notre Dame students that have met him, talked with him.
I think that this post from Hogs Haven was a great piece and paints a very good picture of the type of player Jimmy Clausen is:
[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/24/1324034/jimmy-clausen-pro-cons-from]Jimmy Clausen Pro/Cons from Southbend Campus; Great Athlete but Not a Leader - Hogs Haven[/url
For the most part the bolded section is all I need to know.
Come on, the guy played football in Indiana. There has to be at least a few games of him playing in bad weather.
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Longtimefans statement that not everyone at ND liked Clausen?
53Fan
02-27-2010, 11:53 PM
Woah! L to R our future LT, our future QB, and our future RG
:laughing2 That's terrible.... but funny as hell!!!
Nice work GMScud! Tebow's girl is STACKED! How's he stay a virgin?
GusFrerotte
02-28-2010, 12:01 AM
Ok, so we've confirmed that he isn't perfect. Now what does the film say about him? Thats what matters. Terrell Suggs had a horrible 40 time, hasn't stopped him from being a productive player. I'm pretty sure there are a thousand other examples but the combine is very overrated.
Thats the thing that scares me about Bruce Campbell. Guy impresses everyone in the drills and now suddenly everyone wants him. I mean I want him to but thats because of what I've seen of him on film. not the fact that he's over 300 pounds and below 10% or 12% body fat.
By the by:
If he can grip a college ball then gripping a pro ball will be no problem.
What are you talking about? Pro footballs aren't thinner than NFL balls!!! And small hands don't matter huh? Do you remember Danny "Woeful"? Guy had to wear gloves all the time. I don't see why the big hangup with Bradford/Clausen. A ton of good, solid QBs coming out this draft. We could draft a guy in say the 4th round and still get a great QB. There is around a dozen QBs available that have the potential to become solid pros. I rather build a great line and then draft a kid from a second tier school than waste a first round pick and not properly address the o line. Our first two picks should be o linemen. Samuels and Thomas need to retire.