Legality/Accuracy of DC speeding cameras:

You are.

Why not just leave then, you are free to do that.
you better watch out or he will mace your ass

You are.

Why not just leave then, you are free to do that.

If I could get on a ship and go to the New World I would. If there was a freer country I would go. They're all the same now. What's the point? They're police cameras in Tokyo, Berlin, London, and in the US. Game over.

It takes more than some traffic cameras to create a true police state.

Just to wonder, how is the calibration on them done and how often?
Thats something that you would ask in court but you also need to know how often it should be done and hope they are off.

You are.

Why not just leave then, you are free to do that.

Is there a government that is not a police state at this point? The US is not the worst police state, but it certainly is one.

It always cracks me up driving on 95 seeing the highway advisory signs. Do I get why they are there? sure, but I laugh because people will deny what their dual purpose is. Bottomline when you read 1984, and Big Brother was watching, do you think that government insiders hadn't created a plausible reason as to how the monitors were for public safety? Yet in 1980, if you had shown stories of how quietly intrusive government has become, people would have scoffed and said that would never happen.

It takes more than some traffic cameras to create a true police state.

You're right. You also need a constant state of fear and perpetual war. You also need news / energy / newspaper conglomerates to tell the public how to think and feel. Throw in a sub par education system and I'd say if we're not there, we're damn close.

Tell me Matty. How many transactions can you make without a SSN these days?

It takes more than some traffic cameras to create a true police state.

True, it also takes police having the right to stop you without a clear demonstration that you were breaking a law. Oh wait, listen to the Md delegates argue for the right to stop someone for reading their cellphone. The police officer only has to feel that the person was reading a text.

It also takes a government having the ability to listen in to private conversations - should i mention the "patriot" act

I am not implying we are a totalitarian society yet, or even in the next 20 years. But we certainly have given up a lot of individual freedoms that once were bastions of United States rights.

You're right. You also need a constant state of fear and perpetual war. You also need news / energy / newspaper conglomerates to tell the public how to think and feel. Throw in a sub par education system and I'd say if we're not there, we're damn close.

Tell me Matty. How many transactions can you make without a SSN these days?

The federal government can't force you to use the SSN because it's not a national id. geez didn't you know that Trample? Yes i am being sarcastic, REAL ID is absolutely a form of a national ID.

You're right. You also need a constant state of fear and perpetual war. You also need news / energy / newspaper conglomerates to tell the public how to think and feel. Throw in a sub par education system and I'd say if we're not there, we're damn close.

Tell me Matty. How many transactions can you make without a SSN these days?

Damn you got me, SSN = police state.

I refuse to give mine out all the time.

True, it also takes police having the right to stop you without a clear demonstration that you were breaking a law. Oh wait, listen to the Md delegates argue for the right to stop someone for reading their cellphone. The police officer only has to feel that the person was reading a text.

It also takes a government having the ability to listen in to private conversations - should i mention the "patriot" act

I am not implying we are a totalitarian society yet, or even in the next 20 years. But we certainly have given up a lot of individual freedoms that once were bastions of United States rights.

We've certainly moved in that direction thanks to 9/11 and the early 2000's fear mongering.

I miss the terror alerts.

We're still not in the ballpark with communist China though, let's be real.