WP sums it up

IF Gardner hadn't dropped that TD pass you could definitely remove 1 INT from Ramsey (the next pass) and probably take away another one (the pass he forced late in the 4th) giving him 1 TD and 1 INT

actually he had a TD to portis, he'd be 2 TD, 1 INT, 150 yards (in half a game)...

If Ramsey is seeing zero snaps in practice....that might be the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Even if Ramsey was the worst backup in the history of the NFL, he should still be seening snaps in practice. I dont care who your number 2 guy is, he needs to be ready to come in the game at any time. He's always one play away from being a starter and he needs to be prepared for it.

I think part of the reason Gibbs is holding Ramsey back is because he doesn't want to throw him to the wolves, he doesn't want him to have to deal with a sometimes porous offensive line and a unit as a whole that is still trying to get comfortable in this system.

The ideal situation for him is one like Pittsburgh has around Rothlisberger. A solid and consistent running game and guys who have been in the system, know it inside and out and can properly support him.

Pitt is doing a great job at protecting Ben and running the ball which has taken a ton of pressure off him.

If Ramsey steps into our current situation alot of the pressure is going to be squarely on him, and that's really not fair.

I think you make some good points Matty.......... the Steelers have surrounded Big Ben with good line and crew. Meanwhile Burnell is playing with a mediocre line at best and Portis hasn't helped in protection either.
You can put Joe Montana or Sammy Baugh back there and it won't make a difference if you don't get time for the play to set up. In some cases the talent just isn't there yet. If you have guys blitzing in Burnell's face there is just not time for a play to develop. Having said that there are times when Burnell's passing is painful to watch (although I've got to see a limited number of games), and then there is the play calling, no imagination..........Parcells was short handed yet he put in some innovative yet basic plays to fool the defense, so the play calling rests at the feet of not only of Joe Gibbs but also offensive coordinator Don Breaux. Having said that our Defense has been extrodinary and as bad as our offense sucked, the Redskins were in each and every name, and we should've/could've won all the games they lost if a few of the penalties on offense had been eliminated. Wins require our offense not to make ANY mistakes.......This team is still a work in progress and we need another draft. :coach:

How will Ramsey EVER learn this offense if he's not taking snaps.

What is Gibbs doing? Besides giving us a talented, disgruntled backup? Contract year is coming up for Mr. Ramsey, and he will NOT re-sign if he doesn't even see snaps in practice. I think we need to work to keep him here more than pet Brunell's ego.

We all feel the since of deseperation to win and quite naturally Brunells's inability to win games consistently does not sit well with all of us.

The game against Detroit has more implications for Brunell than he might understand. If Brunell's performance is not helping this team through his pass completions and we lose, Coach Gibbs has two options. One, bring in Ramsey, and build for next year or let Brunell finish this season and allow Ramsey to practice with the first team next season. I think we will see Ramsey before the season is over because the offense right now doesn't show any sign of scoring more than 20 points even in victory.

On ESPN this morning, Mike Ditka said that Joe is a winner and will be a winner again, the Redskin defense has been #1 or #2 ranked in the NFL......He couldn't put his finger on why the offense had problems scoring, but mentioned perhaps a QB change should be made......hmmmmmmmmm Is Mike reading this board or perhaps talking to some of y'all on this Forum? :laughing-

On ESPN this morning, Mike Ditka said that Joe is a winner and will be a winner again, the Redskin defense has been #1 or #2 ranked in the NFL......He couldn't put his finger on why the offense had problems scoring, but mentioned perhaps a QB change should be made......hmmmmmmmmm Is Mike reading this board or perhaps talking to some of y'all on this Forum? :laughing-

No, hes always been a master of the obvious. :httr:

If the offensive line continues to allow the defense to flush Brunell out of the pocket in max protection, Coach Gibbs will continue to make the argument that the offense is not Brunell's fault. And rightfully so. Can you imagine what will happen if Ramsey comes into the game with this kind of inconsistency from our line? I'll tell you. Sack after sack after sack. Let's hope Brunell can pull out a win and continue to win until Ramsey truly understands how to read the defense and scramble when neccessary.

Brunell was sacked 5 times last week and he was clearly not comfortable most of the time in the pocket.

Ramsey has seen worse from defenses last year with worse protection and no RB. I would hardly call this years situation "the wolves". By the way, isn't putting someone in at the end of the 3rd quarter and down by 13 points, allbeit because of injury, throwing someone to the wolves. What's your take on giving him a full start so he does not have to try and win the game on every throw, which by the way he almost did? He is one Rod Gardner drop at the goaline from us all being silent.
What I mean by throwing him to the wolves is putting him in a situation where he can only fail.

The team is 2-5, they're suffering from breakdowns in protection, and the WR's and QB's aren't on the same page yet.

Putting him in would be setting him up for failure in my opinion. And the last thing he needs is to take another beating and keep making the same mistakes because he'll be forcing the issue to try to help the team rebound.

Putting someone in the game due to injury is an entirely different story. What else can you do? You have to put him in then.

Check out the Doc Walker interview over at extremeskins. He makes some good points about Brunell, about how he's just a few plays here and there away, he also points out the WR's dropping alot of balls earlier this year and that definitely wasn't his fault. And he also makes the point of mentioning Brunell is feeling the heat from the pass rush too often.

After the year Ramsey had with Spurrier......spending most of the time eating turf....
imagine the young guy coming into another year when the protection from the line once again ain't so stellar and again he gets pummeled.....perhaps Joe is thinking in terms of Ramsey's psyche and having him experiencing a total lack of confidence and Ramsey becoming shell shocked on the field............