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Defensewins 03-10-2004, 01:06 PM Last years Colts and KC will disagree with you.
Under Gibbs system you platoon the TE's. Rasby is the blocker. Byron Chamberlain, Robert Royal, Leonard Stephens or Kevin Ware will be the pass catchers.
Gibbs won three super bowls with Rick Walker, Don Warren and Clint Didier. None of those guys was a pro bowler or will be inducted to the hall of fame.
saden1 03-10-2004, 01:28 PM You guys talk as if Bowen is a good safety. He is adequate at best but he sure as hell can’t cover shit. Depending on how good Spring & Smoot Combo is, Bowen will be exposed a lot.
I personally think we need a solid defensive lineman. I think it would be a mistake to pickup an offensive player with all the weapons we have on offense.
joecrisp 03-10-2004, 01:46 PM I'm going to be ecstatic (especially if we can drop to #7 or #8 and pick up an additional 3rd- or is that too high?) either way b/c I love both players....
According to the "Trade Value Chart" (http://www.nfldraftview.com/tvchart.html), the #5 overall pick should be worth the #7 overall, plus at least a mid-3rd rounder (#79 overall), or another combination of picks that total 1800 points in value (#7 plus a late 3rd and late 4th, for example). For the Falcons to trade up from #8, they would have to give the Skins at least a late 2nd rounder (#61 overall), in addition to the #8 pick, for the trade to be equitable. They could also package a mid-3rd (#79) and a high-4th (#100) to go with their 1st rounder.
The risk the Redskins run here is that the Lions could very well take Taylor OR Winslow at #6, though I feel like the Lions are in the market for a trade-down themselves, as they could be looking to pickup RBs Jones or Jackson in the mid-to-late first round (before the Cowboys and Patriots pick).
cpayne5 03-10-2004, 02:02 PM You guys talk as if Bowen is a good safety. He is adequate at best but he sure as hell can’t cover shit. Depending on how good Spring & Smoot Combo is, Bowen will be exposed a lot.
I personally think we need a solid defensive lineman. I think it would be a mistake to pickup an offensive player with all the weapons we have on offense.
Bowen got burned a lot last year because he wasn't playing his natural position.
raleighskinsfan 03-10-2004, 02:03 PM This is exactly why I love this board. Thanks for the analysis of the value of the picks Joe Crisp!
I don't know about you guys, but defensewins is starting to sway me with his points. The point he (or someone) made about the safety being the qb of the defense is an important point. If we can have an impact playmaker at that position, it will improve our overall d by leaps and bounds. We have plenty of offensive talent- it's time to spread some over to the D. Plus, imagine having two bruisers like Bowen and Taylor patrolling our middle- with Smoot and Springs on the corners, we would have a complete secondary... Hopefully we can trade down with the Falcons to #8, pick up that late 2nd rounder (#61 overall), still snag Taylor, and pick up a pass rushing DE at #61. Who might be left with that pick????
joethiesmanfan 03-10-2004, 02:07 PM Exactly, Bowen is the hole. He never made a big time hit in any game this year Ohalette had more tackles than he did. Ohalette did not get posterized by Keyshawn like Bowen did. I say Taylor, Springs, Smoot, Ohalette at the same postion he played last year. Bowen is a Lynch wannabe. a matchup disaster. One on one with Bowen Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But on the other hand Winslow would make the offense unstoppable. not even new Englad could stop it. You can't blitz it. I watched miami some this season what tightend you know can catch and run 80 and 90 yeard touchdowns and out run DB's. We are not gonna be a non scoring defensive team. We are gonna be balanced and score plenty of points. NewEngland shut down the colts but they were not stopping the run James had a good day. We are getting the real Redskins back stop trying to make them into the Ravens or New England. if you have excellent LBS and DBs you cant afford a big time d-line unless you gut the offense. be like the Ravens and have no WR's.
ChounsMan 03-10-2004, 02:43 PM I'm going with Taylor 1st & if not available, the best DT.
I might trade down if the same DT will be available in the second rd. Otherwise I'd have to draft Winslow Jr.
offiss 03-10-2004, 03:10 PM I don't see anyone in this draft who can have the most impact to our team other than taylor he is taylored made for us, or just about anyone else as well, He's the only guy in this draft that I have a can't miss feeling about, in fact it's a know doubt about it feeling, the kid is going to be a great one, I really hope we stay the coarse and draft him.
SmootSmack 03-10-2004, 03:24 PM I've heard that if they get Taylor the plan would be to play Bowen at strong safety and move Ohalete to nickel packages and special teams. I guess getting Taylor probably means no more Andre Lott. He's no Ronnie, but I think Lott is halfway decent. Maybe he can stick on and play special teams
Phinehas 03-10-2004, 04:32 PM I think I'm leaning heavily toward gearing the draft around getting Taylor. If we are certain that we can trade down and still get him, then I'm all for it. If not, then I think we take him at #5. I'd only draft Winslow if Taylor was gone before #5.
--Phin
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