Why Santana Moss gets a free pass...

People go right to thinking Barry Bonds when they hear PHDs and it's just not even close to the case.

The Romo article defending this doctor are pretty good.

Dr. Bonds I presume :)

oh because you said so? your background on the subject being?

Same as yours.

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some of the stuff I hear is really disturbing. The guy took an illegal substance. Bottom line...thats it. No defense is necessary. He will and should be suspended, i dont care how many good memories he gave you. Which frankly, aren't too many for a supposed #1, but that is for another day. How anyone can try and justify it is crazy. He knew what was going on, he chose to take the risk of getting caught. Now that he was caught, for whatever the reason may have been, he just needs to come out and say "hey, this is what was going on, I made a mistake blah blah blah... this denial crap all these idiots are doing is just getting tiresome. They take all of us for fools if they actually think what they are saying is believable.

Yikes, sure is a lot of misinformation in this thread. I'm far from an expert but I'm not going to pretend to be either. The HGH issue isn't quite as clearcut as the steroid issue and it's something the league is going to have to address.

Yikes, sure is a lot of misinformation in this thread. I'm far from an expert but I'm not going to pretend to be either. The HGH issue isn't quite as clearcut as the steroid issue and it's something the league is going to have to address.

HGH occurs naturally in our bodies, but we stop producing it at a certain age.

Roids are genetically engineered chemicals, designed to effect performance.

I see a huge difference and don't personally have a problem with a doctor like this finding ways to heel athletes. Not just to get them back on the field and play, but to be able to walk and get out of bed when they hit 50.

Giving a player HGH in small doses, in a controlled fashion, is not much difference than the hormones we put into our meat, that has every American bigger and faster and quicker to mature, than most other countries, IMO.

Looking back at all sports, not just football, you'll see that on most occasions, these "illegal performance enhancing" substances were used to expedite healing from an injury. But none-the-less, it is still an illegal drug obtained illegally. No matter what the intended use.

But I cannot endorse any suspension by the league without evidence.

Has Moss failed any league mandated drug tests? Do they have any evidence they he actually received these treatments?

Players who ARE suspended for performance enhancing drugs, like Brian Cushing and Shawne Merriman, were all implicated by POSITIVE drug testing and by league testing rules and procedures already in place.

As far as I know, all they have on Moss is an afadavit. In other words, this guy said he did, but other than that, there is no physical eveidence this ever took place.

So until the league endorses using "word of mouth" as fool proof eveidence of illegal activity, LEAVE MOSS ALONE AND LET THE MAN PLAY FOOTBALL!

Until all the evidence is made clear, Moss will remain guilty by speculation since it appears to carry far more weight than guilt by association.

HGH occurs naturally in our bodies, but we stop producing it at a certain age.

Roids are genetically engineered chemicals, designed to effect performance.

I see a huge difference and don't personally have a problem with a doctor like this finding ways to heel athletes. Not just to get them back on the field and play, but to be able to walk and get out of bed when they hit 50.

Giving a player HGH in small doses, in a controlled fashion, is not much difference than the hormones we put into our meat, that has every American bigger and faster and quicker to mature, than most other countries, IMO.Genetic engineering involves going into an organism's gene and changing the DNA sequence. Some steroids are produced synthetically WITHOUT any biological agent producing them. They are probably made in a lab using a more fundamental way: put compounds in an aqueous solution and let them undergo a chemical reaction.

Same as yours.

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How do you know mine? I've already read those posts you dolt. They don't state anything educative or informative.

HGH occurs naturally in our bodies, but we stop producing it at a certain age.

Roids are genetically engineered chemicals, designed to effect performance.

I see a huge difference and don't personally have a problem with a doctor like this finding ways to heel athletes. Not just to get them back on the field and play, but to be able to walk and get out of bed when they hit 50.

Giving a player HGH in small doses, in a controlled fashion, is not much difference than the hormones we put into our meat, that has every American bigger and faster and quicker to mature, than most other countries, IMO.
Our body also naturally produces testosterone and derivatives.

OP's argument is pretty absurd. If the whole problem with substances like HGH, the whole reason that they are illegal is that they unfairly enhance on field performance, how can we then give someone a pass just for performing admirably on the field? By that logic Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are eligible for passes too, as they certainly gave us plenty of wow moments, even though the use of illegal substances is presumably what allowed them to perform at such high levels for so long.

I'm not saying Santana is necessarily guilty of cheating, I really have no idea; but to argue that he should be exempted from criticism just for having played well is bunkum.