Revis and Mankins Not Happy

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Dirtbag59
06-14-2010, 06:20 PM
I dont know anything about Mankins would he be an upgrade from what we have does any one have any info?

It's time to develop some of our own players and save draft picks. One of the young guys is going to step up among Edwin Williams, Chad Rhinehart, Eric Cook, and Kory Lichtensteiger. Shanans history with offensive lineman favors this. In the meantime I'll venture that Big Mike could easily have a great year and we all know Dockery's going to be solid.

The main thing we have to worry about right now is the RT spot. Artis Hicks might be fine for this year however we're going to have to learn if Selvish Capers can develop to see weather or not a draft pick will need to be used on a RT in next years draft. Probably around the 3rd round.

At the very least though we now have depth so if injuries hit us again we won't have to go through the same train wreck we went through last year.

warpaint
06-14-2010, 06:27 PM
It's time to develop some of our own players and save draft picks. One of the young guys is going to step up among Edwin Williams, Chad Rhinehart, Eric Cook, and Kory Lichtensteiger. In the meantime I'll venture that Big Mike could easily have a great year and we all know Dockery's going to be solid. The main thing we have to worry about right now is the RT spot. Artis Hicks might be fine for this year however we're going to have to learn if Selvish Capers can develop to see weather or not a draft pick will need to be used on a RT in next years draft. Probably around the 3rd round.

Now this gives me comfort. I like your take on what we have right now. I agree with you on devolping our own guys. The thing that worries me is the RT also I'm not sold on M.Williams for some reason, its in my gut or something hopefully its just indigestion.

skinsfan69
06-14-2010, 07:20 PM
At 28 I'd say we should pass. Not that 28 is too old for an guard but we have Rinehart sitting there and like Thomas and Kelly this guy either needs to become a starter now or find employment elsewhere in 2011.

TheMalcolmConnection
06-14-2010, 07:27 PM
Revis was asked if he'd settle for $1 more than Asomugha. He smiled.

"It can be 50 cents more," he said. "Just give me 50 cents more and we'll be okay."

WHAT A DOUCHE. Just because you're the best that extra few million will make you happy?!

tryfuhl
06-14-2010, 07:52 PM
Revis was asked if he'd settle for $1 more than Asomugha. He smiled.

"It can be 50 cents more," he said. "Just give me 50 cents more and we'll be okay."

WHAT A DOUCHE. Just because you're the best that extra few million will make you happy?!
Yeah that kind of stuff is wild. Instantly saying he's better after his 3 years and deserves more.. some teams have more money to put towards an individual position.

And with Mankins wanting something like Jahri Evans who gets like 8/year and 7/year isn't enough. Kind of wild, I guess when you're one of the best you can do that though.

Dirtbag59
06-14-2010, 08:20 PM
Yeah that kind of stuff is wild. Instantly saying he's better after his 3 years and deserves more.. some teams have more money to put towards an individual position.

And with Mankins wanting something like Jahri Evans who gets like 8/year and 7/year isn't enough. Kind of wild, I guess when you're one of the best you can do that though.

Corners are becoming a dime a dozen. If you watch the NFL draft you know what I mean. 33 Corners were selected this year, most of any position. In fact to compare there were 38 Offensive lineman selected, thats guards, tackles, an centers combined. And that still pales in comparison to the 52 Defensive Backs selected.

Also last year 36 Corners were selected, most among all positions. 2008 - 30 Corners - 2nd highest behind Recievers at 35. 2007 - 30 Corners selected - 3rd highest position behind LB and Reciever. That makes 129 Corners selected since 2007. Most of any position.

Personally I don't get teams infatuation with Corners. I personally feel that a great safety does more for your team then an elite corner. Not to mention I would much rather prefer a strong defensive front that can dominate the line of scrimmage then a bunch of corners that have to cover for 5 or 6 seconds on every play.

I personally like the Bill Belicheck way of doing things. Build your team around guys who play closest to the line of scrimmage. Then worry about the secondary and receivers. Those premadonnas can wait awhile.

Though as a disclaimer I think part of my disdain comes from the selection of Los, Tryon, and Barnes. Tryon and Barnes because we needed lineman and Los because while he did end up being a quality player he still resulted in us passing on both Ware and Merriman, though these days I'm not to sad about passing up on Merriman. It remains to be seen if 56 owes a lot of his success to PED's.

GTripp0012
06-14-2010, 09:46 PM
If that would be the case I would have to go get him you have to, not for LT but I've got plenty of concern on the line. Shouldn't you put him next to Trent so you solidify the left side. Not only does it help Trent but it helps McNabb's blindside.Along the lines of what Dirtbag touched on, I'd say that you can upgrade that RG position without really making the overall product much better. A RT, on the other hand, could really improve the overall quality of the line because the current options are either Heyer, Capers, or playing someone out of position. Faced with that, if there's a <Jamaal Brown> available at a reasonable price, you can really help the whole unit on by grabbing him.

If you acquire a guard like Mankins, you have a veteran Center, a veteran left guard, a veteran right guard, all of whom are past the age where they have real upside, and you still have a bad line. Perhaps better than before him, but also not as good as it might have been if one of the younger guys really takes to the system and excels in the role, thereby making Dockery expendable.

tryfuhl
06-15-2010, 01:13 AM
Though speak of what I said.. if Revis accepts less.. the next guy will have to.. and so on

not only does the highest paid position player set the tone but so do others

so when someone who shows up in Revis type fashion wants 15 or something they say well Revis only makes 13.. so you should get 11

Giantone
06-15-2010, 07:16 AM
WHAT A DOUCHE. Just because you're the best that extra few million will make you happy?!

He was good last year no doubt about it maybe the best last year but I still say the rest of the team helps him,he needs more then 3 years for me to give him that kind of money.

skinsfan69
06-15-2010, 08:28 AM
Corners are becoming a dime a dozen. If you watch the NFL draft you know what I mean. 33 Corners were selected this year, most of any position. In fact to compare there were 38 Offensive lineman selected, thats guards, tackles, an centers combined. And that still pales in comparison to the 52 Defensive Backs selected.

Also last year 36 Corners were selected, most among all positions. 2008 - 30 Corners - 2nd highest behind Recievers at 35. 2007 - 30 Corners selected - 3rd highest position behind LB and Reciever. That makes 129 Corners selected since 2007. Most of any position.

Personally I don't get teams infatuation with Corners. I personally feel that a great safety does more for your team then an elite corner. Not to mention I would much rather prefer a strong defensive front that can dominate the line of scrimmage then a bunch of corners that have to cover for 5 or 6 seconds on every play.

I personally like the Bill Belicheck way of doing things. Build your team around guys who play closest to the line of scrimmage. Then worry about the secondary and receivers. Those premadonnas can wait awhile.

Though as a disclaimer I think part of my disdain comes from the selection of Los, Tryon, and Barnes. Tryon and Barnes because we needed lineman and Los because while he did end up being a quality player he still resulted in us passing on both Ware and Merriman, though these days I'm not to sad about passing up on Merriman. It remains to be seen if 56 owes a lot of his success to PED's.

I agree. BB learned from Parcells. You win with big people, not small ones. Tryon. Barnes and Los were not horrible picks but they certainly were not good ones either. And the stuff Merriman was taking doesn't make you a good football player. He's legit wheter he's on the juice or not. He's just been slowed by injuries but he's still a better football player than Rogers.

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