GTripp0012
06-30-2010, 07:10 PM
Well when you say "over his career," you're really only talking about three seasons, during which he was 23-25 years old. He's getting better. Again, if VJ saw all the targets BM saw, especially in the short passing game, I'm sure his YPC would be more similar to BM's. Denver didn't have an Antonio Gates or Sproles/LT to catch passes out of the backfield. I don't think VJ's success is solely a product of Rivers. I think he's a great talent.
At some point this became the Brandon Marshall vs. Vincent Jackson thread. I think they're both great, and there are arguments on both sides for why one is better than the other. It's sort of apples to apples. I'll be happy to have one or both on any of my fantasy teams this fall. :)
As far as Jackson embarrassing teammates/family, maybe his antics aren't on BM's level, but 2 or 3 DUI's and an upcoming suspension isn't too far off. Plus I hear the fanbase out in SD is pretty much over the guy.I don't think you're wrong. More short targets for VJ would mean more catches that fail to pick up first downs which would mean less value per play. I follow that logic completely: Jackson clearly benefits from the role Norv calls for him.
I don't necessarily think it reverses though. I don't think you could have Marshall play the role of Jackson in the Chargers offense and still have a top five passing offense, top five scoring offense, or necessarily have Marshall not actively hurting the offense. Now, the Miami Dolphins are betting two valuable second round picks and tens of millions of dollars that GTripp has no f-ing clue what he's talking about. That's...intimidating. But it's also not my loss if they are wrong.
And like you said, he's not quite done improving/refining. The veteran/aged Brandon Marshall is going to be a different player than the developing Marshall. Probably along the lines of a pure possession receiver.
My whole point all along was that I don't really think it is apples to apples, and if you were ever going to consider throwing a top draft pick at a veteran player, might as well make it a 27-year old who is at the top of his craft. There are ALWAYS good reasons to suspect that it's a bad idea to give up picks for players. There's a really good chance that giving up picks for players is always a losing proposition, and never a good idea. However, in the absence of this conclusion, Jackson is about as close to a sure-thing elite talent as it gets. And no one at his level (5+ WPA "wins" in the last two seasons) is ever on the trading block. Or at least not since Jared Allen was two seasons ago.
At some point this became the Brandon Marshall vs. Vincent Jackson thread. I think they're both great, and there are arguments on both sides for why one is better than the other. It's sort of apples to apples. I'll be happy to have one or both on any of my fantasy teams this fall. :)
As far as Jackson embarrassing teammates/family, maybe his antics aren't on BM's level, but 2 or 3 DUI's and an upcoming suspension isn't too far off. Plus I hear the fanbase out in SD is pretty much over the guy.I don't think you're wrong. More short targets for VJ would mean more catches that fail to pick up first downs which would mean less value per play. I follow that logic completely: Jackson clearly benefits from the role Norv calls for him.
I don't necessarily think it reverses though. I don't think you could have Marshall play the role of Jackson in the Chargers offense and still have a top five passing offense, top five scoring offense, or necessarily have Marshall not actively hurting the offense. Now, the Miami Dolphins are betting two valuable second round picks and tens of millions of dollars that GTripp has no f-ing clue what he's talking about. That's...intimidating. But it's also not my loss if they are wrong.
And like you said, he's not quite done improving/refining. The veteran/aged Brandon Marshall is going to be a different player than the developing Marshall. Probably along the lines of a pure possession receiver.
My whole point all along was that I don't really think it is apples to apples, and if you were ever going to consider throwing a top draft pick at a veteran player, might as well make it a 27-year old who is at the top of his craft. There are ALWAYS good reasons to suspect that it's a bad idea to give up picks for players. There's a really good chance that giving up picks for players is always a losing proposition, and never a good idea. However, in the absence of this conclusion, Jackson is about as close to a sure-thing elite talent as it gets. And no one at his level (5+ WPA "wins" in the last two seasons) is ever on the trading block. Or at least not since Jared Allen was two seasons ago.