Predict division winners outside of the NFC EAST.

It seems illogical to say that 4-6 games without Ben would kill the Steelers (there are 10-12 other games), unless you're thinking that they won't really improve much when he gets back. If that's the case, then they could be in some trouble.

But even if they can't settle the quarterback issue, they'll start 2-2 at the very least. That start has never killed any team, at least not in my memory. I guess the 2008 Colts only made it back to 12-4 and a wild card after Peyton Manning had some mediocre games with a surgically repaired knee. 12-4 might fail to win the AFC North, but for sure it gets at least a wild card.

I say they go at best 2-3 without Ben, that means they would have to finish something like 9-2 to win the division.. I just don't see that happening

I say they go at best 2-3 without Ben, that means they would have to finish something like 9-2 to win the division.. I just don't see that happeningEh, maybe, maybe not. Not saying they will go that well if they start 2-3. But if you have them starting 2-3 and finishing 7-9, then you really don't have them improving with Roethlisberger?

I can see that, I just didn't get the "he's out for 4-6 games, so they can't win more than seven this year". It's not like they are going to be 0-6 like Tennessee last year.

Skins
Pack
Saints
49ers
wildcards: Falcons, Eagles

Pats
Ravens
Colts
Chargers
wildcards: Texans, Jets

I didn't say they were bad, they are just young. And IDK about a top 5 d, I would say top 10 though

Ravens, Steelers, Jets (with Revis) Panthers and then your 5th team.

Also, I said don't be suprised if they are, not saying its a forgone conclusion

Not a closet Panthers fan ACE but 3-13?? No way and GB 15-1?? DCtoAZ come on now

I don't see Cincy winning the division much let going 13-3

I don't see Cincy winning the division much let going 13-3

You do know that they swept the division last season right?
I also believe they have the #4 defense last season
and..Palmer didn't even play that well at all...

Is 13-3 a stretch? Absolutely
But there's no denying this team has the tools and talent to reach 13-3.

Great Running game.
They added TO to take the attention away from ocho cinco...
Don't forget TE Gresham

Don't they have another WR rookie who could be good....very popular coming out of college. Is it Jordan Shipley maybe?

Add the weapons for palmer and him having a successful season better than 09',you have a tough team.

13-3 too much..probably

But saying they won't win the division is crazy...
They scare me much more than the Ravens...

Arguably the most talented team in the AFC imo..If not...there close!

SD
Indy
NE
Balt

Seat
NO
GB

AFCE: Dolphins
AFCW: Chargers
AFCN: Bengals
AFCS: Colts

NFCE: Skins
NFCW: 49ers
NFCN: Packers
NFCS: Saints

Yes, I do know they swep the division last year and even with that they were still 11-5. So they were 5-5 outside the division and they had alot of 4th quarter comebacks. This year they will lose to Pit and Bal at least once this year and I believe they open the year against NE, that's also a loss there's ur 3 losses already and they won't win the other 13. Also, the reason they got TO is very similar to why Baltimore got Boldin. To me Baltimore is just as explosive on offense if not more and they have a better D. What we saw with Cincy last year won't happen this year especially the 6-0 division record. Not with a healthy Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Can they win the division? Sure Will they? Probably not. Are they going 13-3? Hell no.