Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)

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Lotus
12-16-2010, 09:51 AM
Controversy continues to hound Vick.

CrustyRedskin
12-16-2010, 09:54 AM
You guys are hilarious, these threads always bring out the worst analogy's. He never killed his pets, he was involved in local culture that was acceptable to most in area but also against law. I honestly don't think he regrets his decisions just that he got caught, but to play in the NFL he has to act the part now.

Having a family pet has nothing to do with dog fighting, however if he opened up a kennel that would be different. The "i hope the dog turns against him and drowns him" is real classy.

You got to give him some props for scratching and clawing his way back to the top.

MTK
12-16-2010, 09:57 AM
Vick can own a dog, after his “supervised release” ends | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/16/vick-can-own-a-dog-after-his-supervised-release-ends/)

TheSmurfs22
12-16-2010, 10:45 AM
I don't think he should be a caregiver of any type....that includes people too.
This guy has a very violent background...the fact that they even let him play again is remarkable to me. The worst case scenario in coming back to the NFL was not that he would fail....it's that he would perform well and become a hero figure to the kids.
The NFL has too much of that already....think of a famous Raven and an ex buffalo bill RB off the top of my head.

Is the NFL so desperate for ratings that they needed to allow this guy on the field again?
What about all the wife beaters, etc?
What is the NFL saying....that it is ok to be violent, as long as you pay your dues you can come back?.....what kind of image is that.
Like it or not...NFL players become superstars and become role models to our kids who idolize them....if they learn their background, it normalizes the behavior.

I know most of you may not agree with me....(I'd love Vick's talent too)...but after much thought...I think the NFL should be much stricter with violent offenders than any other sport due to the violent nature of the game.
No ex convicts should ever be able to play the game again.....period.
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I agree with you Skinsnut. Yeah he did his time, but what is this message we are sending to kids? As a teacher I hear kids talk about Vick and they see nothing wrong with what he did. There was a great article in the Post a couple of weeks ago about Vick and how the media and NFL have pretty much glossed over this. It also brought up an interesting point that if it Vick been a lineman or less high profile position that Vick probably would have been banned for good.

TheSmurfs22
12-16-2010, 10:51 AM
The article was more of an editorial and it was by Nils Lofgren.

53Fan
12-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Anyone who thinks Vick will fight dogs again is barking up the wrong tree.

Back atcha Lotus!

SolidSnake84
12-16-2010, 11:09 AM
I know what Vick did was henious i know. But what is wrong with our society that we want to ban a man from his profession FOR LIFE because of his dogfighting, but yet other NFL players who have committed murder against human beings, whether unintentional or intentional, people just gloss over and continue to embrace.

Has animal rights people really gave animals more rights/liberties than human beings? I think Vick already battles a negative stereotype, and I think people are just desperate to hate him for something, even though the man is more than remorseful of what he did. Like nobody else on here has done some things that we wish we could take back.

SolidSnake84
12-16-2010, 11:13 AM
I don't think he should be a caregiver of any type....that includes people too.
This guy has a very violent background...the fact that they even let him play again is remarkable to me. The worst case scenario in coming back to the NFL was not that he would fail....it's that he would perform well and become a hero figure to the kids.
The NFL has too much of that already....think of a famous Raven and an ex buffalo bill RB off the top of my head.

Is the NFL so desperate for ratings that they needed to allow this guy on the field again?
What about all the wife beaters, etc?
What is the NFL saying....that it is ok to be violent, as long as you pay your dues you can come back?.....what kind of image is that.
Like it or not...NFL players become superstars and become role models to our kids who idolize them....if they learn their background, it normalizes the behavior.

I know most of you may not agree with me....(I'd love Vick's talent too)...but after much thought...I think the NFL should be much stricter with violent offenders than any other sport due to the violent nature of the game.
No ex convicts should ever be able to play the game again.....period.

I dont think it is so much the stance of the NFL as much as it is the belief in the United States of America, and maybe the justice system. The fact is this country is one where you can get a second chance. That's the beauty of america. I'm patriotic. What I'm saying is that you can break the law, be punished, and if you have been truly rehabilitated, then you will leave prison and embrace your second chance at freedom and living a lawful life. Many people squander their second chance, but I love the USA because we are given a second chance.

In some countries, there is no second chance. And it is obvious that Vick has been truly rehabilitated, he is sorry for what he's done, paid his punishment, and now wants to live his life and continue doing what he loves (NFL Football).

Coff
12-16-2010, 11:32 AM
I dont think it is so much the stance of the NFL as much as it is the belief in the United States of America, and maybe the justice system. The fact is this country is one where you can get a second chance. That's the beauty of america. I'm patriotic. What I'm saying is that you can break the law, be punished, and if you have been truly rehabilitated, then you will leave prison and embrace your second chance at freedom and living a lawful life. Many people squander their second chance, but I love the USA because we are given a second chance.

I don't think it's really that uncommon in the rest of the world for people to go to prison for a certain period of time and then be released. In other words, I'm no so sure that's an American thing. Some might point out that it's the opposite since we incarcerate a higher percentage of our citizens than any country on earth, but that's not really pertinent in a discussion about second chances.

Regardless, in terms of rehabilitation, I think the problem most people have with it is that it's BS. It's not so much that people think Vick will do it again; but not doing it again doesn't constitute "rehabilitation." The fact is that most people on this planet would be literally incapable of enacting the cruelty upon animals that Vick enacted. The man exists on a different moral plane than the rest of us. Such morality can't be dictated through imprisoment. The idea of rehabilitation, in other words, is kind of a farce.

That being said, he has served his punishment and should be legally entitled to the same things as everyone else.

over the mountain
12-16-2010, 11:36 AM
yes, a pedophile by definition cannnot help themselves. but i wasnt saying vick = a pedophile. all i was saying is the focus should be on the person and their acts, not the victims. i was posting to point out that i dont think the focus should be on what value a dog has in our society.

whatever thoo, to each his own. im not going to be dismissive of what certain other posters think.

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