Redskins-Cowboys II Game Tape Reviews and General Grossmania

Moss has his share of bad games, but has been big for us over the years. After watching the replay of the drop it was tougher than it looked I think, his feet got a little tangled w/jenkins. should he make that catch? yes, but I don't think that 1 drop nullifies his performance.

I don't think, or I'm guessing, that re-signing moss means that the WR1 is "solved". I think he needs to be re-signed in addition to bringing in a #1. Armstrong has shown improvement but is a 3 or 4 on most teams if at all.


I have been more than critical of Moss and his declining ability and how poor our WRs are, but looking at the numbers, it seems to tell a different story: Santana has 1000 yards receiving , 6 TDs and Armstrong has almost 800 with 2 TDs. I'm not sure where numbers are suppose to be for a 1 and 2, but that seems to not be too shabby.

Obviously there needs to be more talent there as it would be awesome to have three solid WRs, but i'm starting to lean toward there are more important problems than this position for the team.

Moss has his share of bad games, but has been big for us over the years. After watching the replay of the drop it was tougher than it looked I think, his feet got a little tangled w/jenkins. should he make that catch? yes, but I don't think that 1 drop nullifies his performance.

I don't think, or I'm guessing, that re-signing moss means that the WR1 is "solved". I think he needs to be re-signed in addition to bringing in a #1. Armstrong has shown improvement but is a 3 or 4 on most teams if at all.


I have been more than critical of Moss and his declining ability and how poor our WRs are, but looking at the numbers, it seems to tell a different story: Santana has 1000 yards receiving , 6 TDs and Armstrong has almost 800 with 2 TDs. I'm not sure where numbers are suppose to be for a 1 and 2, but that seems to not be too shabby.

Obviously there needs to be more talent there as it would be awesome to have three solid WRs, but i'm starting to lean toward there are more important problems than this position for the team.

I am too. The talent & depth at WR is pretty low, but AA & moss are good enough to make plays when other facets of the O are working well. I wouldn't get too caught up in the #s, McNabb's yardage #s are high too. They've gotten some garbage time yards & have made some big plays, but failed to score much.

Although I agree w/you that there are bigger problems (front 7 & o line e.g.) I wouldn't criticize Shanahan if a wr was taken early in the draft, since they would need a couple years to develop. At the same time, I'm weary of 1st round wr's.

Wow very good and thorough breakdown! Thanks!

Moss has his share of bad games, but has been big for us over the years. After watching the replay of the drop it was tougher than it looked I think, his feet got a little tangled w/jenkins. should he make that catch? yes, but I don't think that 1 drop nullifies his performance.

I don't think, or I'm guessing, that re-signing moss means that the WR1 is "solved". I think he needs to be re-signed in addition to bringing in a #1. Armstrong has shown improvement but is a 3 or 4 on most teams if at all.

I agree, that the 1 drop didn't kill the game for him, and I noticed it was a pretty difficult catch as well, but I'm getting to the point now where I have a confirmation bias re: him and should probably stop commenting on it. Basically, any time he screws up, I react like, "that's what he does," and when he does well I still find ways to be pissed off.

I do disagree, however, regarding Armstrong, I think he should probably be a slot guy, but I don't think I'd bring Santana back under any circumstances. I'd try to distance myself from the Gibbs/Zorn era guys as much as possible at this point because I think they're all past their prime and living off of past performance. At best, I'd let him test the market and, if someone made him a huge offer, I'd let him walk. If he came back after realizing there wasn't a ton of money out there for him, I'd let him come back as the #3 because I think he belongs more in the slot.

Moss is on pace for close to 90 catches, for a reasonable deal I would try to bring him back. For the amount of shit he gets for not being a "true #1", whatever that means, he's still producing and a quality WR.

Moss is on pace for close to 90 catches, for a reasonable deal I would try to bring him back. For the amount of shit he gets for not being a "true #1", whatever that means, he's still producing and a quality WR.

I agree on bringing him back as long as it is for a reasonable contract. I love what he has done in the past, but we need to start running this franchise from a more forward thinking perspective. Teams like the Patriots excel at this, they always seem to know when it is time to get rid of a player, where as we always jump on a player at the end of there peak effectiveness.

Moss is on pace for close to 90 catches, for a reasonable deal I would try to bring him back. For the amount of shit he gets for not being a "true #1", whatever that means, he's still producing and a quality WR.

He is a quality receiver, but I think he'd be better utilized somewhere else. I think it's borderline disrespectful to bench him here because of what he's done. It's sort of the same way I feel about Portis. If someone is going to turn these guys into part time players, I don't think it should be us because those two (more Portis) were main reasons why this team was any good for a decent period of time.

At this point, they're both declining (Portis might be done) and I don't think they should be kept around. I agree that Moss can still be productive, but I don't think it makes much sense to keep pinning our hopes to his performance.

One argument I do agree with, however, is that with all the other holes to fill, it may be wise to keep him.

My question would be, at this point, how long of a deal would you give him?

After analyzing Moss all season (and all last season, and the year before that), I'm not sure there is a right or wrong move with him. He played the role of our offense pace-settter this year, rarely going vertical off the snap. When he played well, the passing offense really played quite well.

Moss, if nothing else, is a very inconsistent player. He's not going to go all out on all passing route calls. Not sure if anyone ever does. He showed great effort and ability in blocking for our runners this year. And he does seem to want to enjoy team success here above all.

Thanks to Armstrong's emergence, he was our no. 2 receiver this year (schematically, not in terms of targets). And he was just as inconsistent as he was as a no. 1. I think he fits this role fine, but his roster spot is certainly a place where we could aim to get younger/better.

If nothing else...at least we won a trade for once.

Yea GTripp great break down of the Redskins-Cowboys game. Do you write for a newspaper or magazine? Just wondering cause this seems like it would take sometime to break down game tape and then write a colum on the game. I hope you are getting paid to do this, if not you really are a DIEHARD REDSKINS FAN.

I agree on bringing him back as long as it is for a reasonable contract. I love what he has done in the past, but we need to start running this franchise from a more forward thinking perspective. Teams like the Patriots excel at this, they always seem to know when it is time to get rid of a player, where as we always jump on a player at the end of there peak effectiveness.

On bringing back Moss I say if we can get a deal done that works for both the Redskins and Moss then he needs to be resigned. Moss can only get better in this offense as well as AA. I do not thank we should pick a WR in the 1st round because you can get a nice WR in the later rounds. We need our 1st and 2nd rd pick to have a imediate impact. If we take a QB with the 1st pick I don't see him making a impact right away.