Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder?

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skinsfan69
01-10-2011, 11:44 AM
I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.

SirClintonPortis
01-10-2011, 11:58 AM
Snyder - he's as relevant as he is short.

Shanahan - top dog. He oversaw everything in Denver. His OWN book mentioned that"
"Now, is it error free? No, nothing is. But by having scouts talking with players, position coaches studying players, coordinators supervising their decisions and me overlooking everything, we have prepared ourselves to limit our mistakes."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Thom Loverro: Can Shanahan draft like a champion? | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/teams/redskins/2011/01/thom-loverro-can-shanahan-draft-champion#ixzz1AeVXdxb9)

Bruce Allen - salary cap/contract master. Also probably does the wheeling and dealing for whatever Shanahan asks of him, i.e Shanahan wanted Campbell gone, Allen did the talking with Al Davis. After all, it's unlikely Al Davis and Shanahan could get far in negotiations.

MTK
01-10-2011, 12:04 PM
Not buying it.

At all.

Defensewins
01-10-2011, 12:24 PM
I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.

That's like me saying....I would not be surprised if a meteor hit the Earth at some point in time and extinguished all life.
No real story real here just huge speculation.

I do have one theory that has been in the back of my mind since this whole AH saga started this training camp....just a theory....I wondered if AH was forced on Shanahan by Snyder because of AH's contract. Snyder made a mandate if we can not trade AH for at least a 2nd we keep him. Shanahan was desperate to unload AH at any cost and out of frustration said fine I will make this fat boy's life miserable to make him either quit or make him look bad until he quits. Either way Shanahan eventually got what he wanted which was AH off the roster with no pay.
Did Snyder figure it out and this combined with the mishandling of McNabb, maybe Snyder is starting want to pull in the slack of the FO reigns a bit?

Ruhskins
01-10-2011, 12:26 PM
We need to start giving JLC the Florio treatment.

DCtoAZ
01-10-2011, 12:27 PM
this is such a load of crap and a non-story .. i love that Jay Glazer "reports" that Gruden could end up here .. come on man .. unless shanny goes 3-13 next season he will be coaching the Skins' in 2013.

SirClintonPortis
01-10-2011, 12:33 PM
That's like me saying....I would not be surprised if a meteor hit the Earth at some point in time and extinguished all life.
No real story real here just huge speculation.

I do have one theory that has been in the back of my mind since this whole AH saga started this training camp....just a theory....I wondered if AH was forced on Shanahan by Snyder because of AH's contract. Snyder made a mandate if we can not trade AH for at least a 2nd we keep him. Shanahan was desperate to unload AH at any cost and out of frustration said fine I will make this fat boy's life miserable to make him either quit or make him look bad until he quits. Either way Shanahan eventually got what he wanted which was AH off the roster with no pay.
Did Snyder figure it out and this combined with the mishandling of McNabb, maybe Snyder is pull in the slack of the FO reigns?No, Shanahan has his history of bringing in talented DTs and doing battle with them soon afterwards(Daryl Gardener and Trevor Price). Who's fault started those battles is irrelevant here. Shanahan might be in the right for all cases, he might not. Anyway, I think that when Shanahan sees a talented DT, he's always going to try to "coerce" him onboard because he sooooo wants to reap the benefits of that player and he has a bit of pride that he can coach anyone up. It worked with Pryce, but not with Haynesworth. Haynesworth talents could be used at NT, but he has quickness and agility that most other prospective NTs don't have, and

I can understand that he would try to have the Haynesworth cake and eat it too since if successful, the defense would be that much better.

freddyg12
01-10-2011, 12:34 PM
I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.

I don't know if Glazer is prone to talking about unconfirmed reports over the air, but if he says that on Fox' pregame show this weekend (or after) I'll believe the story has legs.

SmootSmack
01-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Some thoughts:

Glazer is great. I don't necessarily agree with his methods, but he's really really good at what he does. Even the best are wrong sometimes though

Gruden and Allen have an interesting relationship. They watched a lot of games together last year and sometimes I couldn't tell if they hate each other or love each other. Maybe a little of both. But I kind of got the feeling Gruden is ready to be on his own. Allen's not as concerned with being "the man"

Snyder's biggest "issue" with the McNabb benching was that he wasn't in town when it happened. But that issue was blown way out of proportion

IrMitchell
01-10-2011, 01:02 PM
Looking back, I think Gruden would have been the better choice (I'm aware he likely wasn't an option). Shanahan is a great coach, there's no doubt about it.. But the Redskins had no motivation. We were coming off the worst season in about a decade and had very few characters guys on our team. Jon Gruden would have motivated this team, he would have convinced Haynesworth that he could be his Warren Sapp. He would have had the defense playing what suits them, with good players and not these scrubs like Kemo and Gholston. He likely wouldn't have gotten McNabb and would have drafted a receiver to work with Santana.
Mike Shanahan doesn't seem to be the guy to completely change the culture unless he can take each player off the roster that doesn't work hard one by one.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I still feel like Gruden would have allowed for better results this year, but rather than just getting lucky.. Showing actual improvement.

This year we're pretty much banking on Free Agency and the Draft, because I can't imagine a Jim Haslett ran defense with the players from last year doing anything differently.

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