Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

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freddyg12
03-19-2011, 10:20 AM
@Angry, good point about what his responsibility was on each play.
@GT, you've noted in your game breakdowns that mid season or so the zone coverage improved, but much of the year there was a lot of cushion between the safeties & CBs. I think that speaks to Angry's point.

I guess I agree w/the analysis to a point, he does get beat a lot but also makes plays. I hope he continues to mature, maybe he can still be a complete player. He has the talent to play solid coverage. I often wonder if it's motivational. That chicago game, he made those picks cause he was in position, a couple in tight coverage. He has a history w/Cutler, so maybe he played w/a chip that day. Most games he does seem more interested in making the 1 big play at the expense of several smaller important plays.

KLHJ2
03-19-2011, 10:41 AM
I just looked at the numbers from both charts again and I call "BS"!

The Success Rate was reversed between the Best and Worst groups. While D Halls Success rate was a staggering 39% on the worst list it would have reflected as a 61% on the good list. That would have put him tied for the 10 spot with Brandon Carr.

The Author is slanted!

I'm just kidding. It would be nice to see the list in it's entirety though instead of just segments of it.

The author explained how he was determining his success rate, but I would like to see the statistical data which led to those results.

One important piece of statistical information "number of targets to number of completions ratio" is missing. I think that it is far more important than his so called success rate. A corner does not necessarily determine which routes and how many yards deep a route is run against him, but he does impact whether or not the ball was caught.

Dogtag
03-19-2011, 11:34 AM
One has to look at statiscal analysis and ask the questions (1) Does this make sense to me? and (2) Is this painting a whole picture?

44ever
03-19-2011, 11:36 AM
Where are all the d-hall fanboys now?

Right here! There are many factors that can destroy a great players ability to put up great stats. Playing on the Redskins is just one of them. I dont think I need to go down the list of ex Redskins that went on to have great careers elsewhere. Or Great players that the this org. has destroyed, right Haynesworth?

Give D Hall a better D-line and backfield and watch him hit top 10. (In every Category) Because he is top 10 in many.

Funny how most of the top 10 DB all play on top 10 teams. Interesting.

NC_Skins
03-19-2011, 12:24 PM
Haha, why can't we just call a spade a spade? He's a huge liability in coverage. He gambles and it works at times. Two years ago it didn't last year it did.


Because it doesn't suit the their agenda to make their favorite player into something he's not. But stats doesn't matter when he makes ESPN highlights.




He didn't single handedly lose those games. We were loosing regardless of his performance.

Regardless, haters will be haters.


If he didn't single handily lose those games, then he didn't single handily win those games either.You can't have it both ways. and you were wrong about us losing regardless. We were losing b/c of plays like that. No one player can single handily win (or lose) any game in the NFL. You might make a case for when Wilt scores 100 points in a game or when Kobe drops 80+ against the Knicks, but not in the NFL.

Daseal
03-19-2011, 12:29 PM
Something many of us have been saying for some time. Hall will make some plays. He will also get beat. People hate on Rogers constantly for dropping the ball, but his guy rarely gets catches.

Having a real FS can help cover up his weaknesses. I like that he gambles some, but wish he was smarter about it.

skinsfaninok
03-19-2011, 12:36 PM
Hall would be dominating if he played for a team Like Baltimore or GB, teams that actually stop the run.. You guys didn't hate on Champ and if I remember right he gave up some plays also. Is deangelo hall as good as Champ? Of course not but hall is a top 10 playmaking DB in the NFL every year.

KLHJ2
03-19-2011, 12:41 PM
Because it doesn't suit the their agenda to make their favorite player into something he's not. But stats doesn't matter when he makes ESPN highlights.







If he didn't single handily lose those games, then he didn't single handily win those games either.You can't have it both ways. and you were wrong about us losing regardless. We were losing b/c of plays like that. No one player can single handily win (or lose) any game in the NFL. You might make a case for when Wilt scores 100 points in a game or when Kobe drops 80+ against the Knicks, but not in the NFL.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, but I digress. Ooooh, look, bunt cake!

NC_Skins
03-19-2011, 12:51 PM
One has to look at statiscal analysis and ask the questions (1) Does this make sense to me? and (2) Is this painting a whole picture?

He's statistically been rated as one of the worst CBs in the league since his time in Atlanta. People see the INTs and assume he's a good CB. He's not. IF Oakland is kicking you to the curb after 8 games, chances are that you are pretty bad. Hell, even JaMarcus Russell stayed around for 3 years.


Right here! There are many factors that can destroy a great players ability to put up great stats. Playing on the Redskins is just one of them. I dont think I need to go down the list of ex Redskins that went on to have great careers elsewhere. Or Great players that the this org. has destroyed, right Haynesworth?

Give D Hall a better D-line and backfield and watch him hit top 10. (In every Category) Because he is top 10 in many.

Funny how most of the top 10 DB all play on top 10 teams. Interesting.


Are you kidding me? Just admit it and say "Hey, I like the guy a lot because he's flashy, but the truth is he's pretty bad at his position." He's been on of the worst rated CBs in the NFL since his days in Atlanta, and yet people like you still refuse to see him for what he is. Why? Because out of every 5 TDs allowed he gets 1 pick? (made up stat, but wouldn't be surprised)

To your other point, so now we have to upgrade everybody around him to make him look good? Funny, Nnamdi Asomugha didn't need a better team to be one of the best CBs in the league.

skinsfaninok
03-19-2011, 01:59 PM
^ Hall isn't NnAmdi though, only Champ and Revis are that good

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