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skinsfan69 03-28-2011, 07:59 AM I remember last year there was a thread like this that created some good discussions.. I figured I'd bring it back for this year.
What I would do:
Draft
Round 1: Robert Quinn OLB, North Carolina
Round 2: Jake Locker QB, Washington
Round 5: Kenrick Ellis NT, Hampton
Round 5: Tim Barnes C, Missouri
Round 6: Stephen Burton WR, West Texas A&M
Round 7: Depth OT
Round 7: Depth LB
Free Agency
I do absolutely everything I can to get Paul Posluszny (Longshot)
If unsuccessful I go after Barrett Ruud (Ex-Allen draft pick, reasonable).
Re-Sign Santana Moss, Jammal Brown, H.B. Blades, Will Montgomery, Rex Grossman, and Chris Wilson at the best price possible.
Tender Rocky McIntosh, Reed Doughty, and Stephon Heyer and pray for my life that teams have interest.
Allow Carlos Rogers, Andre Carter, Philip Buchanon, to leave and show them the door on the way out and in Carlos' case personally drive him to the airport.
I would look for some depth at Corner, Outside and Inside Linebacker in free agency.
Trades
Attempt to trade Donovan McNabb for a 5th-6th rounder in the 2012 draft.
Attempt to trade Haynesworth for a 3rd-4th rounder in the 2012 draft.
If no one bites, release McNabb and hold on to Haynesworth and well um.. be depressed.
Attempt to trade Chris Cooley for a 1st round pick in 2012, if unsuccessful settle for a high 2nd.
Lineup
LT: Trent Williams
LG: Kory Lichtensteiger
C: Casey Rabach/Tim Barnes *Casey will be gone in 2012.
RG: Will Montgomery
RT: Jammal Brown
QB: Rex Grossman/Jake Locker
HB: Ryan Torain/Keilland Williams
WR: Santana Moss/Anthony Armstrong/Malcolm Kelly
TE: Fred Davis
DE: Adam Carriker
DE: Philip Daniels *I'm going into the 2012 draft looking at this position closely.
NT: Anthony Bryant/Kenrick Hampton
OLB: Brian Orakpo
OLB: Robert Quinn
ILB: Paul Posluszny/Barrett Ruud
ILB: London Fletcher
CB: DeAngelo Hall/Kevin Barnes
FS: Oshiomogho Atogwe
SS: Laron Landry
Future
I'm looking at finishing 8-8 at best and earning once again a top 15 draft pick. I will hopefully have an extra 1st from Chris Cooley along with a 5/6th from McNabb and a 3rd/4th from Haynesworth. This draft will be all about getting a quality Defensive End along with a Receiver.
:Smoker:
Alvin Walton 03-28-2011, 08:16 AM You're naming Barnes the starting corner?
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We cant afford to let Rogers go, need to find a way to keep him for the right price.
Jontrem 03-28-2011, 08:35 AM Is it just me who thinks it's inevitable that Mike is setting Kyle up for his first head coaching job? What better way to retire that watch your son take over.
For that to have a chance they will have to show some serious improvement over the next few years.
firstdown 03-28-2011, 09:32 AM I'd make the cheerleader uniforms smaller.
diehardskin2982 03-28-2011, 10:21 AM After waiting in this lack of an offseason, I have had more time to think about strategy. In the draft I am doing anything I can to get the 17th and 60th pick from NE for our first. You can call me nuts, but it's possible until it isn't possible. I also think McNabb still has value in this league.
Draft:
Round 1 Trade down with NE (17) Mike Pouncey OG Florida
Round 2 (41) Phil Taylor NT Baylor
Round 2 Trade down with NE (60) Andy Dalton QB TCU
Round 3 Trade with Cardinals for McNabb (69) Ryan Williams RB VTech
Round 5 Traded to Cardinals with McNabb
Round 5 Trade for Haynesworth from Bills Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christan
Round 6 DAundre Reed, DE Arizona
Round 7 Anthony Sherman, FB UConn
Round 7 Kris Durham WR Georgia
Free Agents (no capp)
Top Tier
Lamarr Woodley LB Pittsburgh
Namdi Asomugha CB Oakland
Sidney Rice WR Vikings
Ryan Harris T Denver
Marc Bulger QB Baltimore
Paul Posluszny ILB Bills
Lower Tier
Steve Smith WR NYG- not sure we would get him but I want to drive the price up
TO- Regardless of if you love him or hate him he shut up and produced last year. If he can stay like that I'd take him here.
Alex Smith QB 49ers- I don't want grossman here and this kid could get his chance here warming the spot for dalton to develop if we don't get Bulger.
Alan Branch DE/ NT Cardinals: He is Young and was a hell of a player at Michigan project player
Joey Porter LB Cardinals- Can he be a big enough distraction on the field to free up Rak? Target if we miss out on Woodley
DQwell Jackson LB Cleveland- If we miss out on Paul, this kid has skills.
Resign
Jamall Brown
Santana Moss
Phillip Buchanon
Starting Lineup:
LT: T. Williams
LG : M Pouncey
C: Lichtensteiger
RG: M. Williams/ Hicks/ Montgomery (competition)
RT J.Brown/ R. Harris (Competition)
QB: Bulger or Smith/ Beck (comp) backup Dalton
RB: Torian, R.Williams, K. Williams (Platoon)
FB: M. Sellars * Sherman Taking over later in the year
X: S. Rice or TO backup Gates (Who decides to sign with us)
Y: A.Armstrong
Slot: S.Moss or Steve Smith backup T. Austin (Who decides to Sign with us)
TE: Cooley/ Davis
DE: Carriker
NT: P.Taylor/ Bryant/ A.Branch (competition)
DE: Golston/ Jarmon/ A.Branch (competition)
OLB: Porter or Woodley
ILB: Posluszny or Jackson
ILB: Fletcher
OLB: Rak
CB: Asomugha
CB: Hall
Slot: Buchanon
SS: Landry
FS: OJ
K: Gano
P: Bidwell or Paulescu (comp)
KR: Banks
record:
On paper that is a strong team against a weaker schedule. So I see good things.
skinster 03-28-2011, 11:33 AM The thing is this team is better than last year's team that went 6-10. We will not be anywhere near Andrew Luck which is 1st overall. The second ranked QB in Matt Barkley will be gone higher than he should a la Blaine Gabbert, only even more because of his USC experience. Not to mention I don't like him at all, and therefore in my opinion no Jake Locker is not a waste of a pick.
Moss likely won't stay, and if you're correct than I don't see why we can't target another free agent. Pudz is a longshot as I stated, but Barrett Ruud is more likely to go than he is to stay. He was neglected last year by management in a contract extension when they decided to give it to Donald Penn instead. Not to mention he had a terrible year by his standards. I will not be surprised if he's a target for Bruce Allen this off-season.
Okay so that top 15 pick which speaks for itself and can be anywhere from 1-15 could possibly be the 16th or 17th pick? Would you like me to have said top 17 pick?
I disagree that it is a better team. I believe you to be overlooking a few things.
London Fletcher showed signs of diminishing skills last year and I
expect it to continue on this year.
I think you overlook how important both Rogers and Buchanon are to our secondary. The majority of the negative plays go towards Hall/Barnes. There is nobody on our roster that can replace either one.
Whichever center (Rabach/Barnes) plays will be absolute dogshit, even more so than last year due to either age or inexperience. On that note, the same thing applies to Phillip Daniels.
I believe Anthony Bryant to not only not be adequate (2 solo tackles in 6 games all last season) but I have an inkling that he will get injured anyways being so heavy (380 lbs).
I also do not believe Barrett Rudd to be an upgrade over McIntosh, especially considering he is switching systems.
Atogwe is a huge upgrade, but I wouldn't expect him to be a superstar, there must be a reason he was not retained.
Torain/Williams I believe will be worse than last year. Teams will not underestimate them as much and they will have more wear/tear (torain especially).
Moss will not be back, and Davis is a downgrade over Cooley (who we would not get a high second for). Kelly probably won't even make the team much less start.
Quinn I believe to be overrated.
I think that teams will catch onto Grossman/Shannhans system this year, and we will not be able to catch teams by surprise (we started 4-3). Reminds me of what happened with Zorn when he started 6-2 with a bad team and then the next two years were junk once people saw tape.
And yes I believe there to be a significant difference between 17 and a "top 15 pick". "Top 15" talent in my mind are supposed to be "can't miss talents." There are normally not actually 15 of them, its just those "top 15" talents should all be gone by 15. Its not safe at 14/15 that you will get one, so the 17 pick is not something to be overexcited about.
skinster 03-28-2011, 11:40 AM FA has even started yet or the draft and you are already saying this season is a lost one?? :benched:
Can you look at our roster and honestly tell me that we have even the slightest chance to win a superbowl?
We have a shot at mediocrity, but we'd have to get very lucky in the off season and probably make some poor personnel moves that would screw us in the long run.
We have no shot to be legit though. Its tough to admit. Fans so close to the team have a tendency to be overly optimistic, but if you take a step back you'll see that from a logistical standpoint, yea our season is over before it began.
I personally want this to be the start of a rebuilding year. I would much more enjoy watching improvement from a young developing core than to watch a bunch of old declining players fight in the hopes of being a .500 team.
skinster 03-28-2011, 11:46 AM After waiting in this lack of an offseason, I have had more time to think about strategy. In the draft I am doing anything I can to get the 17th and 60th pick from NE for our first. You can call me nuts, but it's possible until it isn't possible. I also think McNabb still has value in this league.
Draft:
Round 1 Trade down with NE (17) Mike Pouncey OG Florida
Round 2 (41) Phil Taylor NT Baylor
Round 2 Trade down with NE (60) Andy Dalton QB TCU
Round 3 Trade with Cardinals for McNabb (69) Ryan Williams RB VTech
Round 5 Traded to Cardinals with McNabb
Round 5 Trade for Haynesworth from Bills Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christan
Round 6 DAundre Reed, DE Arizona
Round 7 Anthony Sherman, FB UConn
Round 7 Kris Durham WR Georgia
Free Agents (no capp)
Top Tier
Lamarr Woodley LB Pittsburgh
Namdi Asomugha CB Oakland
Sidney Rice WR Vikings
Ryan Harris T Denver
Marc Bulger QB Baltimore
Paul Posluszny ILB Bills
Lower Tier
Steve Smith WR NYG- not sure we would get him but I want to drive the price up
TO- Regardless of if you love him or hate him he shut up and produced last year. If he can stay like that I'd take him here.
Alex Smith QB 49ers- I don't want grossman here and this kid could get his chance here warming the spot for dalton to develop if we don't get Bulger.
Alan Branch DE/ NT Cardinals: He is Young and was a hell of a player at Michigan project player
Joey Porter LB Cardinals- Can he be a big enough distraction on the field to free up Rak? Target if we miss out on Woodley
DQwell Jackson LB Cleveland- If we miss out on Paul, this kid has skills.
Resign
Jamall Brown
Santana Moss
Phillip Buchanon
Starting Lineup:
LT: T. Williams
LG : M Pouncey
C: Lichtensteiger
RG: M. Williams/ Hicks/ Montgomery (competition)
RT J.Brown/ R. Harris (Competition)
QB: Bulger or Smith/ Beck (comp) backup Dalton
RB: Torian, R.Williams, K. Williams (Platoon)
FB: M. Sellars * Sherman Taking over later in the year
X: S. Rice or TO backup Gates (Who decides to sign with us)
Y: A.Armstrong
Slot: S.Moss or Steve Smith backup T. Austin (Who decides to Sign with us)
TE: Cooley/ Davis
DE: Carriker
NT: P.Taylor/ Bryant/ A.Branch (competition)
DE: Golston/ Jarmon/ A.Branch (competition)
OLB: Porter or Woodley
ILB: Posluszny or Jackson
ILB: Fletcher
OLB: Rak
CB: Asomugha
CB: Hall
Slot: Buchanon
SS: Landry
FS: OJ
K: Gano
P: Bidwell or Paulescu (comp)
KR: Banks
record:
On paper that is a strong team against a weaker schedule. So I see good things.
Even on the off chance that there is no cap next year, there will be one in the future. It would be financially impossible to sign all those free agents. Besides, I doubt most of them would want to come here anyways. And growing up in NE and being so close to the patriots, yes you are nuts for thinking they would ever give up a second rounder to move from 17 to 10. Also Phil Taylor won't slip to 41.
Lotus 03-28-2011, 12:39 PM Draft:
1 Chas Henry, P
2 Alex Henery, K
5 Rob Housler, TE
5 Virgil Green, TE
6 Ryan Donohue, P
7 Josh Jasper, K
7 Preston Dial, TE
diehardskin2982 03-28-2011, 12:54 PM Even on the off chance that there is no cap next year, there will be one in the future. It would be financially impossible to sign all those free agents. Besides, I doubt most of them would want to come here anyways. And growing up in NE and being so close to the patriots, yes you are nuts for thinking they would ever give up a second rounder to move from 17 to 10. Also Phil Taylor won't slip to 41.
I dissagree. If a player that NE really wants is there, you don't know what they would do. Plus they still have the 33rd pick in this scenario. As for the Free Agents I listed various targets depending on if we lose out on one vs the other. I don't want us to sign all of them. The Redskins are still a top place to go to because of the area and the fact that they are willing to pay. You seem to overvalueing Phil Taylor.
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