Predict the 2011 Opening Day 53 Man Roster

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GTripp0012
05-30-2011, 04:02 PM
They asked Hall to play more bump and run which is similar to asking Haynesworth to play a two gap style.He actually excelled in bump and run when he came here in 2008, because he was playing with a chip on his shoulder. Remember: we didn't switch off aggressive man coverage until the 2009 season.

So Oakland may have been right to believe he could be a good bump and run corner, but Hall never believed in his own ability to do so, and so he never did it well in Oakland.

In that way, at least, the DeAngelo Hall:Oakland::Albert Haynesworth:Washington Analogy holds up quite well. Haynesworth probably could excel at 3-4 5 technique if he put his mind to it. But Hall actually did excel at it when he had a point to prove.

After he got the $52 million deal from us though, Blache never even pretended to attempt to hold Hall accountable for anything. That was a Rogers-only policy.

GTripp0012
05-30-2011, 04:10 PM
The funny thing about this is: DeAngelo Hall is a far better man coverage player than a zone coverage player. It's not even close. He's a perennial pro bowl talent in man to man, and a consistent non-performing coverage liability in zone. But if given the choice, Hall would only ever play zone coverage because he likes the 1:100 chance of getting an errant pass thrown to him and creating points and field position out of the return. And too many DCs in recent memory have given Hall a choice.

Dirtbag59
05-30-2011, 04:26 PM
What can I say? Scouts Inc seems to strongly agree with GTripp.

Comment: He is a veteran cornerback who is more flash than he is player. He has the physical tools to be great but usually just plays at an average to above-average level. He is an excellent athlete for the position. He is excellent in man coverage. He is at his best when challenged by the better receivers in the NFL. He can shut down the opponent's top receiver when his mind is right. He is not very good in zones. He is not a very good technician and can get lazy with his techniques. He does not break on the ball quickly when playing off. He has excellent balance and body control. He does not attack versus the run. He has a ton of talent but does not consistently play up to his abilities.


The thing I've noticed though is that as loose as Hall plays, not to mention games where he gives up pretty sizable gains the defense was still able to prevent opposing teams from putting up points. Most notably in the Green Bay game where Halls cushion almost set up a game winning field goal for the Pack.

It seems though like he played more conservative during the second half of the season. As you can see in his stat sheet, (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=5533) the amount of tackles dropped off considerably during the second half. Probably a product of the defense playing better overall but also possible is the fact that Hall played tighter.

Also a funny stat about Los. Guy has 48 Pass Deflections the last 3 years. 48! Can you imagine how amazing that guy would be if he could catch?

NLC1054
06-01-2011, 02:37 PM
QB: John Beck, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart (Yeah, I said it.)

RB: Roy Helu, Keiland Williams, Evan Royster

FB: Mike Sellers, Darrel Young

TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

WR: Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Niles Paul, Aldrick Robinson

OL: Trent Williams, Robert Gallery, Kory Lichensteiger, Davin Joseph, Ryan Harris, Will Montgomery, Selvish Capers, Clint Oldenberg, Eric Cook

K: Graham Gano

DL: Jarvis Jenkins, Aubrayo Franklin, Adam Carriker, Kedrick Golston, Vonnie Holliday, Chris Neild, Anthony Bryant

OLB: Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Lorenzo Alexander, Robert Jackson

ILB: London Fletcher, Robert Henson, Perry Riley, H.B Blades

CB: Jonathan Joseph, DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Phillip Buchanon

FS: OJ Atogwe, Kareem Moore

SS: LaRon Landry, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

P: ?

LS: ?

Lotus
06-01-2011, 02:47 PM
For those with either Sundberg or Dearth at LS, please no! Gano will not reach his peak until we have someone else who can reliably long snap.

SmootSmack
06-01-2011, 03:00 PM
QB: John Beck, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart (Yeah, I said it.)

RB: Roy Helu, Keiland Williams, Evan Royster

FB: Mike Sellers, Darrel Young

TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

WR: Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Niles Paul, Aldrick Robinson

OL: Trent Williams, Robert Gallery, Kory Lichensteiger, Davin Joseph, Ryan Harris, Will Montgomery, Selvish Capers, Clint Oldenberg, Eric Cook

K: Graham Gano

DL: Jarvis Jenkins, Aubrayo Franklin, Adam Carriker, Kedrick Golston, Vonnie Holliday, Chris Neild, Anthony Bryant

OLB: Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Lorenzo Alexander, Robert Jackson

ILB: London Fletcher, Robert Henson, Perry Riley, H.B Blades

CB: Jonathan Joseph, DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Phillip Buchanon

FS: OJ Atogwe, Kareem Moore

SS: LaRon Landry, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

P: ?

LS: ?

Jeez, I think I totally forgot about Rob Jackson

NLC1054
06-01-2011, 03:12 PM
You wouldn't be the only person.

Defensewins
06-01-2011, 04:52 PM
Finally someone has heard my screaming for a year now that Lorenzo Alexander was used in the wrong position. He will make an excellent ILB in the 3-4. Scary LB corp of Orakpo, Fletch, Alexander and Kerrigan. Beefy and stout wrecking crew. Many sacks.

Alexander learning yet another position - The Insider - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/alexander-learning-yet-another-position/2011/06/01/AGeZkMGH_blog.html?wprss=football-insider&utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral)

Dirtbag59
06-01-2011, 04:53 PM
Finally someone has heard my screaming for a year now that Lorenzo Alexander was used in the wrong position. He will make an excellent ILB in the 3-4. Scary LB corp of Orakpo, Fletch, Alexander and Kerrigan. Beefy and stout wrecking crew. Many sacks.

Alexander learning yet another position - The Insider - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/alexander-learning-yet-another-position/2011/06/01/AGeZkMGH_blog.html?wprss=football-insider&utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral)

As much as I love OMGang and as much as I feel its a better fit, I still don't see him beating out the likes of Riley or Henson.

Defensewins
06-01-2011, 05:05 PM
As much as I love OMGang and as much as I feel its a better fit, I still don't see him beating out the likes of Riley or Henson.

IMO Lorenzo Alexanders combination of fearlessness, strength, speed and hitting ability makes him perfect for ILB position and IMO better then those two. Anyone that can play Guard, NT, DE and OLB and do it well, is an incredible football player in my book. I have always been so impressed with Lorenzo's fearless one man wrecking crew type of play. Riley and Henson are good and will compete for a starting position with Alexander, but they do not have the on the field NFL playing experience that Lorenzo brings to the table.
We are strong at LB. Yes.
We will see who is starting in 2011.

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