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Monkeydad 07-22-2011, 10:23 AM I'm not going to take anything from Twitter seriously. Most of the guys do not know the details and are just making initial emotional reactions public.
They're just making fools of themselves AND possibly hindering getting the thing done. I can't wait until Twitter dies.
Silence, Vonnie Holliday.
JoeRedskin 07-22-2011, 10:27 AM The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
If they are reading the document for the first time, well that's ridiculous and on the leadership.
If they are being given guidance and making sure they understand how the main points were finally resolved fine. Even then, the majority of that review should have been prepped by the player reps.
Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.
FRPLG 07-22-2011, 10:27 AM The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
I agree on the Twitter thing. It has been the real unique culprit in this situation that no one was rpepared to deal with.
I don't think the players are very savvy when it comes to this stuff at all. In general that is.
FRPLG 07-22-2011, 10:34 AM If they are reading the document for the first time, well that's ridiculous and on the leadership.
If they are being given guidance and making sure they understand how the main points were finally resolved fine. Even then, the majority of that review should have been prepped by the player reps.
Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.
This.
They had/have a responsibility to be prepared to make decisions as effectively and efficiently as possible. It seems neither the players as a whole nor their leadership took the proper steps to allow for that. If this CBA is such a big deal to the players, as it should be and they have said it is, they should have been taking the whole process more seriously and professionally. Honestly I think they have repeatedly been made to look bad throughout this entire ordeal because they allow the NFL to "out-professional" them on a consistent basis.
It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.
FRPLG 07-22-2011, 10:35 AM It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.
Yeah not a lot of owners getting on Twitter bitching about the players.
SBXVII 07-22-2011, 10:36 AM The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
Totally understand the want to look over the proposal, but one would think the owners would feel the same way. So is it the owners voted for something they have not looked over or is it the players reps failed to stay a part of this whole process and really have no clue what's in the CBA and want to look it over?
I think it's funny how they using the term that the proposal is being forced down their throats? No it's not, if they stayed connected to DSmith and aware of the negotiations then they would have been able to go into the Thursday meeting and quickly go over the issues and vote on if they would agree to it. Plus how hard is it to get one of their lawyers they hired to go to that meeting and explain the verbiage and why it is the way it is?
Instead they go to a meeting totally unprepared, they act like they are unaware of what's in the proposal, complain that they need time to read it and digest it, and complain about things being added and forced down their throats.
Yet the all the owners show up talk for a few hours then meet the next day for 8+ hours over the same CBA proposal and all were able to read, digest, and talk about it then vote on it.
I hope the player reps were not planning on taking the proposal back to each player and letting them read it and digest it and make an informed decision, because then ther won't be a season.
There is two simple complications
1- do they want to be a union again. The reps can contact their teammates for the answer.
2- does the union agree to the new CBA.
SkinzWin 07-22-2011, 10:40 AM It's best to just avoid Twitter at times like this.
That's why I don't even have it. Trouble can so easily lie just beneath the tweet.
Defensewins 07-22-2011, 11:05 AM The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.
I completely agree. I think it was wise to keep the negotiations process away from some of the Twitter-STUPID players.
The other one at fault here for some of the misdirected anger at the players is the NFL Network. They were constantly putting up on the screen the best case scenario calendar where NFL would be open by this weekend or Monday. Getting everyone excited. Now that it might take a little longer, some impatient frustrated rabid fans are blaming the players.
Lotus got it right in an earlier post on this thread,
" There are 32 owners, 1700 players. It makes sense that player ratification may take longer."
So doors won't be open on Monday. It might take a few more days or a week more. Big deal. The world will not end. Free agency will come soon. Just calm down.
SmootSmack 07-22-2011, 11:16 AM As I understand it, one major sticking point is the out clause. I don't know who's right here, but players expected the deal would have an out at 7 years; owners didn't include it.
Were the players right to expect it? I'm not sure
But overall, it's a misconception that the players were completely blind to the proposal. It's that the full proposal was just drafted yesterday or the day before, and it takes some time to digest every detail. And again, they should. Brown M & Ms.
Further, Goodell holding a press conference (and other owners talking about it as well), basically saying they have an agreement before the full proposal was sent to the players rubbed the players the wrong way. They felt it put PR pressure on them, and was an attempt to make them look like the bad guys
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