firstdown
01-05-2005, 05:17 PM
big ben is the best qb to come out in a while though.the guy is the real deal.if manning had not thrown 49 td passes this year,big ben would be close to being league mvp.Maybe if we did not have a rookie of the year he may have been voted league mvp. He could not have won both.
Daseal
01-05-2005, 06:05 PM
1) Maddox last year ran a drastically different offense last year. They changed to pass first run second last year, and it worked horribly. This year they said they wanted to play "Steelers football" again. So they did.
2) Big Ben has the best WR duo in the league and the best running game in the league (in my opinion) so he has a lot of help.
3) Eli Manning will be much, much, much better than Big Ben. He's already showing signs of production.
4) Roy Williams should have gotten it in my opinion.
TheMalcolmConnection
01-05-2005, 06:28 PM
Had Brunell had the strength of a three-year old girl, he might have been able to get Chris Cooley some more passes and maybe have given him a run for offensive rookie-of-the-year. Oh well, Pro Bowl next year baby.
Paintrain
01-05-2005, 06:45 PM
OK, Matty. Who do you think is the runner-up offensive rookie of the year since Roethlisberger was such an obvious winner?
Antonio Gates?
Isn't this like Gates' 3rd season?
Gmanc711
01-05-2005, 07:19 PM
Had Brunell had the strength of a three-year old girl, he might have been able to get Chris Cooley some more passes and maybe have given him a run for offensive rookie-of-the-year. Oh well, Pro Bowl next year baby.
I wonder if Cooley was at all part of the discussion. I'm not by any means saying he should have come close to winning, becasue Big Ben is the obvious choice, but I wonder if anyone threw his name out there.
SmootSmack
01-06-2005, 12:15 AM
No surprise to me either...
HOWEVER...
I know I'll catch some flak for this one, but I also feel that "Big Ben" was also one of the most overrated players in the game. It's easy to say this about anyone, but looking at his supporting cast and how many yards Bettis ran for nearly each game, it's tough to not be at least half-decent on a team like that.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great quarterback, but I wouldn't necessarily think he is the second coming of Terry Bradshaw as so many Steelers fans think he is.
In my opinion, the games I did watch him play in, his passes were fairly inaccurate, especially when pressure is in his face.
Then again, I could be talking about the game when he played the Redskins and how easy would anyone have it with our beast defense throwing blitzes at them.
Too bad someone else couldn't have bested "Big Ben" in the voting, but in the end I feel like it was out of lack of competition to give it to him, rather than him actually earning it.
To some extent I agree actually. I mean, he's a fine QB and I think he'll have a long, solid career. But if you look closely at his season he wasn't as good toward the end as he was in the beginning when defenses didn't have him figured out.
Still, I don't think any rookie came close
skinsfanthru&thru
01-06-2005, 11:47 AM
Lee Evans, Michael Clayton, Kevin Jones, and unfortunately Julius Jones all deserved some consideration but yeah this was Big Ben's prize to win. I never realized he as a rookie almost finished the season with almost a 100 qb rating. That's just absolutely unheard of.
And I don't know when they select the comeback player of the year award but if Brees doesn't win that hands down then someone's on the take.
sportscurmudgeon
01-06-2005, 11:52 AM
Sorry, I thought Gates was a rookie.
Michael Clayton and Kevin Jones probably should be neck and neck for 2nd place in this voting in my opinion.