Hall of Fame Class of 2012

Bobby Bethard was going to come back in 2004, but something had got in the way. It would have been nice to see a Bethard-Gibbs reunion. Too bad it didn't happen.

Bobby wanted his own scouting staff, Snyder wanted to use the existing staff at the time.

Why would it? I'm sure it would bring more publicity to the team, just like when Monk and Green got it.

that was totally different. the old owner was loved by the fans and won. the current owner is not loved by the fans and has lost.

that was totally different. the old owner was loved by the fans and won. the current owner is not loved by the fans and has lost.
To illustrate your point, was anyone at the 49ers game where Chris Hanburger got his ring at half time and started off by thanking Snyder for the courtesy he had shown Chris?

Bobby Bethard was going to come back in 2004, but something had got in the way. It would have been nice to see a Bethard-Gibbs reunion. Too bad it didn't happen.

Beathard and Snyder couldn't agree on scouting staff, Bobby wanted his own while Snyder wanted the existing staff at the time.

Enshrinement » Class of 2012 Finalists (http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2012/1/7/class-of-2012-finalists/)

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

Rickey Sanders should be in for this record alone: Most touches of the football of any player without a fumble during his career.

Bobby Bethard was going to come back in 2004, but something had got in the way. It would have been nice to see a Bethard-Gibbs reunion. Too bad it didn't happen.

Please explain...

Bobby Beathard was not coming back to be the GM for the Redskins - - or to have any other executive position - - in 2004 when Gibbs 2.0 began. In fact, the reason Beatherd "left" the Redskins is that he and Gibbs had a falling out and got into a power struggle starting in the late 80s. Jack Kent Cooke had to make a decision on which guy would leave town and he kept Gibbs not Beathard.

I am sure that the pissing contests between those two guys has died down over the years but they are not BFFs...

It was 2002, not 2004

Enshrinement » Class of 2012 Finalists (http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2012/1/7/class-of-2012-finalists/)

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

C. Kennedy, W. Roaf & Parcells are my bets, several others I'm on the fence on. Really weak class of RBs, the O line candidates are strong. Haley will be hard to deny, except for the fact the dude was crazy! C. Carter & T. Brown will both get in, but not both at this time.

Mann is our best candidate overall, but he's got some tough competition. Jacoby I think is going to suffer from comparison to modern day, quick foot OTs & he could never block LT or Banks. B. Mitchell is only in the conversation as a returner, can't really say he deserves to be in.

C. Kennedy, W. Roaf & Parcells are my bets, several others I'm on the fence on. Really weak class of RBs, the O line candidates are strong. Haley will be hard to deny, except for the fact the dude was crazy! C. Carter & T. Brown will both get in, but not both at this time.

Mann is our best candidate overall, but he's got some tough competition. Jacoby I think is going to suffer from comparison to modern day, quick foot OTs & he could never block LT or Banks. B. Mitchell is only in the conversation as a returner, can't really say he deserves to be in.

I loved watching Curtis Martin run, he could bring it and was on pace to break Emmitt(run out of bounds or fold up like a tent) Smiths record when he got hurt. Martin was a good tough rb.