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I'd rather root for my team to lose one year, and root for them to win the rest of my life, than root for an inconsistent, broken, gives you hope but fails franchise year after year after year.

Also on the whole cowboys thing why would I go from one dysfunctional franchise to another..

I know I'm just focusing on one portion of your statement, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that. And I respect your desire for us to Suck for Luck, but as a fan, I can't stand seeing my team losing even if it does mean getting an all-star player next season. And as someone who used to play team sports, I can't just give up even if we were a bad team.

I just can't root for or respect a team of quitters.

I fail to see how wanting luck is cowardly or in any way like leaving a soldier to die. can we please stop being ridiculous and over the top? thanks.

I'd rather root for my team to lose one year, and root for them to win the rest of my life, than root for an inconsistent, broken, gives you hope but fails franchise year after year after year.

Also on the whole cowboys thing why would I go from one dysfunctional franchise to another..

Your statement is a false either/or. Those aren't the only two possible outcomes. That makes your statement irrational.

Further, rooting for your team to lose is cowardly.

So I'll end this conversation by saying that I get you now. You not only argue for irrational and cowardly things, you will insist on doing so.

I fail to see how wanting luck is cowardly or in any way like leaving a soldier to die. can we please stop being ridiculous and over the top? thanks.

I respectfully offer that you have missed my point. The point never was that Suck for Luck is exactly like being a soldier. The point was that "cowardly" and "rational" are not logical opposites.

Wanting Luck is not cowardly. We all would like to have Luck. However, leaving your team to suffer, even hoping that your team suffers, is cowardly.

But since you don't like the word "coward," please feel free to use DynamiteRave's term instead: rooting for your team to lose is the path of a "quitter."

I know I'm just focusing on one portion of your statement, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around that. And I respect your desire for us to Suck for Luck, but as a fan, I can't stand seeing my team losing even if it does mean getting an all-star player next season. And as someone who used to play team sports, I can't just give up even if we were a bad team.

I just can't root for or respect a team of quitters.

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One of the most storied NBA franchises, the Boston Celtics, recently "tanked" to try to get the top pick. I don't think Celtics fans care one way or another about it to be honest.

Not saying we should tank, just playing Devil's Advocate.

The "suck for Luck" debate is an interesting case of ethics at work.

I am just making a comment.

One of the most storied NBA franchises, the Boston Celtics, recently "tanked" to try to get the top pick. I don't think Celtics fans care one way or another about it to be honest.

Not saying we should tank, just playing Devil's Advocate.

The NBA system, or former system, led to a lot of that, though I never heard anyone say it directly. The guaranteed contracts & cap put teams in a position to gut the roster for financial & competitive reasons. The Wizards did it a couple years ago & it was obvious to any fan that they were starting over.

Easier to do when there are 2-3 big contracts that can be offloaded to create huge cap space. The NFL is harder to do that in w/guaranteed money escalating in trades, but I think you see plenty of teams purging players & cap space. It may not be tanking per se but it's often implied.

One of the most storied NBA franchises, the Boston Celtics, recently "tanked" to try to get the top pick. I don't think Celtics fans care one way or another about it to be honest.

Not saying we should tank, just playing Devil's Advocate.

Well in that case tanking didn't exactly result in them winning, because they didn't get the top pick they wanted to go after Oden or Durant. They just got lucky that Minny was willing to trade Garnett.

Ruhskins and freddy, I agree with everything you have said. I am just making the point that "tanking" happens with major storied franchises.

Does the structure of the NBA make it morally ok, or less wrong, to tank? To me, tanking is tanking.