F... Lexus Xmas Commercials

I've been looking into picking up a Lexus IS 350 (used of course). Friend had one for a while and it's a fun car. It's small and quick. The only bad thing about it is 1/4 inch of snow grounds you.

I had an Acura that I absolutely loved. At 250K the transmission died and I considered replacing it rather than getting my current car (Nissan Maxima... yuck. Stay away.)

Drove a BMW 3 series and hated it. It's an uncomfortable ride. The handling was pretty good, but if you're in the car for more than 30 minutes expect to be sore when you get out.

I've always loved the look and feel of Mercedes, but can't bring myself to face the maintenance bills on a German car. Lexus/Acura/Toyota/Honda cars are tanks and will run forever, haven't seen the same from German vehicles.

Bingo and that is why I have a Acura and Toyota. Though my 4Runner pissed me off a year ago with it's rear diff but it has been fine ever since.

Your smart guy that is a dumb statement. You realize that if you go to Germany you will see BMW's and Benz's that are equivalent to say a Accord, Camary, Focus, etc.... Don't just look at their product line up in this country.

Plus this is a pretty hard car to compete against, I can't think of one BMW or Benz I take over this:

http://www.lexus.com/LFA/images/LFA_noflash.jpg

Why would I look at their product line up in other countries? I live here, and here their cars are better than the Toyotas of the world.

Your smart guy that is a dumb statement. You realize that if you go to Germany you will see BMW's and Benz's that are equivalent to say a Accord, Camary, Focus, etc.... Don't just look at their product line up in this country.

Plus this is a pretty hard car to compete against, I can't think of one BMW or Benz I take over this:

http://www.lexus.com/LFA/images/LFA_noflash.jpg

For half the price and better performance I am inclined to take the Mercedes SLS AMG among other super cars.

http://gearpatrol.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/2010-mercedes-sls-amg.jpg

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

My father in law had the two door sports Mercedes and now has the 4 door and both are pretty bad cars. I drove both and it was fun for the day but I don't think I could ever spend that much money on a car. I just don't care that much about a car a driving tro care to own something that expensive. The most I have ever spent on a car to date is $14,500 but I have always had nice cars just not the top of the line. I also drive them into the ground.

Why would I look at their product line up in other countries? I live here, and here their cars are better than the Toyotas of the world.


Honestly I could careless it is matter of preference i just want to let you know Benz and BMW make non-luxury cars as well.

If you went down the line up of cars I pick most BMW over most Lexus models. Like I rather have a M5 over a GS any day. Do I know that the GS will out last the M5 most definitley but the M5 is way cooler and more fun to drive.

If you are in the market for those cars you probably keep them for a few years then move on so reliability is probably not tops on your wish list.

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

Come again? What other metrics are there when it comes to performance? Fastest from point A to B is all that matters.

As far as Honda:Acura, Nissan:Infiniti, Toyota:Lexus, it is much more than badge replacement. Engine and transmission variances, quality of materials, gap control, etc are all huge distinguishing characteristics between the house brand and the upscale brands.

For instance, my daily driver is an 06 Acura TSX. I chose this car because of the availability of Bluetooth (at the time), size (it's smaller than an Accord, bigger than a Civic), engine and transmission availability (K24A2 not available in any Honda model as well as 6 speed manual), as well as many other smaller details that you just couldn't find in any North American Honda at the time.

Lexus is the same way. Find me the Toyota that is just a rebadged IS, GS, or LS. All three of those models are unique to the Lexus brand. Inifiniti does reuse platforms to a higher degree than the other two, but even the Infiniti models differ greatly from their Nissan cousins.

For half the price and better performance I am inclined to take the Mercedes SLS AMG among other super cars.

http://gearpatrol.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/2010-mercedes-sls-amg.jpg

Both are very nice cars, but appeal to different drivers due to their driving dynamics.
Here is a good article...
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG vs. Lexus LFA - Automobile Magazine (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1008_mercedes_benz_sls_amg_lexus_lfa/viewall.html)
Love this picture from the article. When we are older, we will look back on this time and realize that we were in a golden age for automobiles. There are so many wonderful cars being produced right now.
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/33772890+w750+st0/mercedes-benz-SLS-AMG-lexus-LFA-front-three-quarters.jpg

GMScud - the LFA is available in the US.

Come again? What other metrics are there when it comes to performance? Fastest from point A to B is all that matters.

As far as Honda:Acura, Nissan:Infiniti, Toyota:Lexus, it is much more than badge replacement. Engine and transmission variances, quality of materials, gap control, etc are all huge distinguishing characteristics between the house brand and the upscale brands.

For instance, my daily driver is an 06 Acura TSX. I chose this car because of the availability of Bluetooth (at the time), size (it's smaller than an Accord, bigger than a Civic), engine and transmission availability (K24A2 not available in any Honda model as well as 6 speed manual), as well as many other smaller details that you just couldn't find in any North American Honda at the time.

Lexus is the same way. Find me the Toyota that is just a rebadged IS, GS, or LS. All three of those models are unique to the Lexus brand. Inifiniti does reuse platforms to a higher degree than the other two, but even the Infiniti models differ greatly from their Nissan cousins.

LOL! I was not going to go all gear head on him but you did, nice work.

There are mainstream luxury cars and then there is Mercedes.

Notice I did say mainstream...and Mercedes is one of them. Their cars are great...they aren't on a different level than BMW really though.

Or really Acura and Lexus for that matter.

I get what youre saying but Lexus, Acura and Infinity were specifically designed for Americans as luxury cars whereas only the luxury packages of BMW and Mercedes models were introduced to America. Which makes me see a difference in someone saying a Lexus is just a Toyota with all the bells and whistles vs someone saying a Mercedes is just a Mercedes with all the bells and whistles.

There may be some cars that are completely different but a lot of these cars use the same frame and almost all have interchangeable parts from cars of their core brand for cars of their luxury brand. Like your TSX, the frame may not be from a Civic or my Accord, but its nearly the exact same car as the Japanese version of the Honda Accord, with an A instead of a H on its badge. I think a Lexus ES is just a fancier Camry that looks a little different. I guess its just all marketing.

I do however think it was a smart move by the Japanese brands, especially since Honda, Toyota and Nissan were once viewed by Americans solely as economy cars. The Hyundai Genesis looks like a damn nice car, but at the end of the day youre still driving around a Hyundai. Maybe they should have dropped the Hyundai name and came up with a new American sounding luxury name and called it something like the Apexis Genesis. Then people could say its not a Hyundai it’s an Apexis like many people say its not a Toyota it’s a Lexus. Hyundai has been doing a damn good job at rebranding and separating themselves from lower end car makers like Kia so it should be interesting how Americans view Hyundai in 10 or so years.

Either way Id personally prefer one of them fancy Toyota Lexus models over one of them fancy German cars.