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TheMalcolmConnection
01-23-2012, 08:20 PM
I come, mainly, from the PC windows/linux world, but I've always found that if you're having issues after an upgrade of the OS, it's always best to blow everything away and reload the OS from scratch. I'm sure you can do this with the Mac OS, but I've found this to be true in the Windows world.

See, the problem is that we've done this on a few machines and nothing seems to work. Like, it's a partition delete, reformat WITH the combo update to 10.7.2 and it's fine for a couple weeks and then it's garbage again.

Our network engineer is like, "Fine, F it. Again, Apple won't play nice with enterprise, WE have to play nice with them."

skinsguy
01-23-2012, 10:01 PM
See, the problem is that we've done this on a few machines and nothing seems to work. Like, it's a partition delete, reformat WITH the combo update to 10.7.2 and it's fine for a couple weeks and then it's garbage again.

Our network engineer is like, "Fine, F it. Again, Apple won't play nice with enterprise, WE have to play nice with them."

Ahhhh, that sucks dude. So much for Apple having the OS that "just works". That's what makes me appreciate Linux more and more everyday. If something doesn't work, somebody somewhere will develop a fix for it.

Daseal
01-23-2012, 11:29 PM
Every time I play with Linux, it's always the little stuff that pisses me off. Ubuntu has made strides in making Linux a more accessible OS though. I love it for certain things. Backtrack for fun nerd stuff/imaging HDs/etc. Redhat (or CentOS) for servers that just run with the occasional network service restart.

Honestly, I love Windows 7. I have had no issues with it, apart from a bad stick of RAM that isn't the OSes fault. It's easy, it works, and it's compatible with about everything. I spend all day trying to fix ****ed up computers -- when I get home I want something easy. Any time I want to play I fire up VirtualBox into any distro I want!

The attitude Apple shows to their consumer drives me crazy. They're like that asshole that thinks you're lucky (s)he is even talking to you. One of the reasons I moved from an iPhone to an Android was this type of attitude. Glad to see even Apples co-founder loves his android based phone (Woz praises Android, blasts iPhone limitations • reghardware (http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/17/woz_praises_android_highlights_iphone_limitations/)).

Good luck TMC. Setup a Windows 7 VM and tell them to do all network related activity through that. ;)

(Before people go crazy, I understand that wouldn't work -- just being an ass.)

SirClintonPortis
01-24-2012, 01:35 AM
Ahhhh, that sucks dude. So much for Apple having the OS that "just works". That's what makes me appreciate Linux more and more everyday. If something doesn't work, somebody somewhere will develop a fix for it.

Linux can be very internet-dependent and time-dependent for newcomers(Debian squeeze and then sid in my case). Crossover can facilitate the transition, but for a price.

Not contradicting you. I'm just sayin'.

TheMalcolmConnection
01-24-2012, 09:53 AM
Every time I play with Linux, it's always the little stuff that pisses me off. Ubuntu has made strides in making Linux a more accessible OS though. I love it for certain things. Backtrack for fun nerd stuff/imaging HDs/etc. Redhat (or CentOS) for servers that just run with the occasional network service restart.

Honestly, I love Windows 7. I have had no issues with it, apart from a bad stick of RAM that isn't the OSes fault. It's easy, it works, and it's compatible with about everything. I spend all day trying to fix ****ed up computers -- when I get home I want something easy. Any time I want to play I fire up VirtualBox into any distro I want!

The attitude Apple shows to their consumer drives me crazy. They're like that asshole that thinks you're lucky (s)he is even talking to you. One of the reasons I moved from an iPhone to an Android was this type of attitude. Glad to see even Apples co-founder loves his android based phone (Woz praises Android, blasts iPhone limitations • reghardware (http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/17/woz_praises_android_highlights_iphone_limitations/)).

Good luck TMC. Setup a Windows 7 VM and tell them to do all network related activity through that. ;)

(Before people go crazy, I understand that wouldn't work -- just being an ass.)

This was my experience with my last support call. It was kind of like a *shrug* "Sucks to be you." I got elevated to tier 3 (maybe tier 10 for all I know) and they were like, "Your problem."

I pointed out the forum and they were like, "Well you guys have a different issue."

In the end, we're adding some more DNS entries in hopes that it'll keep the connection alive. One thing we're considering is increasing the beacon interval, BUT that's going to affect the PC users. :doh:

skinsguy
01-24-2012, 10:29 AM
Linux can be very internet-dependent and time-dependent for newcomers(Debian squeeze and then sid in my case). Crossover can facilitate the transition, but for a price.

Not contradicting you. I'm just sayin'.

It's definitely a bit of a learning curb for newcomers, yes. I think most newcomers tend to play around with Ubuntu. My favorite has been Fedora. I'm fixing up my old Dell computer (hard drive went bye bye) and will probably just put the latest distro of Fedora on it. I still have a new Dell with Windows 7 on it that I have connected to my big screen in the living room, and my old laptop with Windows XP. Have never crossed into the MAC world even though I do know enough about MAC to troubleshoot minor glitches.

But getting back to the network issue, my fiancee uses her macbook at work (most all of them use macs) and they have had several issues with connecting to their file server at work.

Daseal
01-24-2012, 12:51 PM
I'm not a big fan of Fedora 16. I haven't used it enough to say I for sure don't like it, but the bit I've played I've been unimpressed with the new stuff. I definitely preferred 14/15. In fairness the job I've had for the past 1.5 years is a pure Windows shop, so my Linux skills are quickly eroding into nothingness. Need to start playing a bit more.

skinsguy
01-24-2012, 02:35 PM
I'm not a big fan of Fedora 16. I haven't used it enough to say I for sure don't like it, but the bit I've played I've been unimpressed with the new stuff. I definitely preferred 14/15. In fairness the job I've had for the past 1.5 years is a pure Windows shop, so my Linux skills are quickly eroding into nothingness. Need to start playing a bit more.

They're up to 16 now? The last time I had a Fedora distro was around 11 I think. That wasn't very long ago. Just about when you download the latest version, it's already been replaced by the next version.

Like you, I work in a Windows environment as well, but on a Novell network. So, I don't get to use any Linux for work. That's why I wanted to go back to Fedora (it's just my favorite flavor) so I can get back into it. I figured it can only help me down the road.

TheMalcolmConnection
01-24-2012, 02:42 PM
They're up to 16 now? The last time I had a Fedora distro was around 11 I think. That wasn't very long ago. Just about when you download the latest version, it's already been replaced by the next version.

Like you, I work in a Windows environment as well, but on a Novell network. So, I don't get to use any Linux for work. That's why I wanted to go back to Fedora (it's just my favorite flavor) so I can get back into it. I figured it can only help me down the road.

Ahhh, the good ol' days of Novell. Do you still use Groupwise too? We made the change to AD about 5 years ago and everyone was like, "OMGGZZ!!11 AD will be so much better than Novell."

To be honest, there's a ton we miss about Novell, particularly Groupwise.

Sure, AD is much more flexible, but damn was Novell easy to administer.

skinsguy
01-24-2012, 03:47 PM
Ahhh, the good ol' days of Novell. Do you still use Groupwise too? We made the change to AD about 5 years ago and everyone was like, "OMGGZZ!!11 AD will be so much better than Novell."

To be honest, there's a ton we miss about Novell, particularly Groupwise.

Sure, AD is much more flexible, but damn was Novell easy to administer.

We don't use Groupwise. We use Novell mainly for file storage, instant messaging, etc....I don't know what version of Novell we have (I'm not the network admin) but let's just say we have never upgraded it since I've been here, and I'm almost certain they have never upgraded since they purchased it years ago....lol!

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