CrustyRedskin
01-24-2012, 04:12 PM
4 Marques Colston NO 82 80 2 2.44
Not bad for a 252nd pick.
Not bad for a 252nd pick.
ProFootballFocus: Best/Worst drop rate for 2011 WRsCrustyRedskin 01-24-2012, 04:12 PM 4 Marques Colston NO 82 80 2 2.44 Not bad for a 252nd pick. GTripp0012 01-24-2012, 04:47 PM I just think this is one of those situations where unless you look at every single drop from these receivers, I'd be hard press to conclude their fundamentals are lacking.No one is concluding this. diehardskin2982 01-24-2012, 05:51 PM Moss had a broken hand. so I can understand the drops. Chico23231 01-24-2012, 05:56 PM No surprise Moss is on the worst list. Santana had a really bad season. maybe his worst season as a player. I think he certainly is expendable especially with Gaffney stepping up. NC_Skins 01-24-2012, 07:39 PM I see that, but still one can't derive, clearly, that these receivers have the case of the drops when there are a lot of variables that go into this. For one thing, look how many more passing attempts are thrown Roddy White's way as opposed to Golden Tate. 115 to 35? How many of those are little hitch passes, bombs down field, perfectly thrown balls, etc.... And, the receivers with the best percentage of catches:drops ratio, why aren't they being thrown to more if they're that more fundamentally sound? I just think this is one of those situations where unless you look at every single drop from these receivers, I'd be hard press to conclude their fundamentals are lacking. The numbers are what they are. There are variables to everything if you really want to go down that path. You can use that line of reasoning with everything. Sacks, INTS, tackles, fumbles, passing yards, blocks, rushing yards, etc. In the end, the numbers are what they are. Rex Grossman threw 20 INTs this year, I don't see a * denoting a few of those INTs were caused by the WR. Nope. They presented the numbers and they are accurate. They aren't going to include some hail mary catch that isn't catchable as part of the stat, which is why they have "catchable" listed and not "targeted". Also, nobody concluded their fundamentals are lacking. We are concluding their catching ability is. Drew Brees has 3 WRs in the top 20 on this list and Aaron Rodgers has 2. Always helps a good QB when you have decent guys catching the ball. That Guy 01-24-2012, 10:43 PM https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/ Might want to think twice before championing for DeSean Jackson's services. Had a 13.4% drop rate. On another note, many people talked about Vjax, but I always thought they should be looking at Malcom Floyd. This report leads me to believe I was correct in that thinking. Best Worst: I'm surprised to see Roddy White with 15 drops. That's horrible. yes, a 100 catch per year receiver... just awful. I'd much rather have a guy with 43 catches. This is the logic all GM's should use for making these kinds of decisions. I agree. NC_Skins 01-24-2012, 11:30 PM yes, a 100 catch per year receiver... just awful. I'd much rather have a guy with 43 catches. This is the logic all GM's should use for making these kinds of decisions. I agree. Well, if they threw 100 passes to the guy who only caught 43, chances are he'd get there faster than the guy dropping 15 balls. Look, I'm not saying he's (white) horrible, I'm saying dropping 15 passes is horrible and it is. The Goat 01-25-2012, 12:06 AM Was surprised Tana didn't have more drops but then a took a second look at the number of times he was targeted...not all that many...no wonder he's on the "naughty" list. I hope he's not on the roster this season simply because we should have more/better talent than what he can offer at this point in his career. That Guy 01-25-2012, 01:17 AM Well, if they threw 100 passes to the guy who only caught 43, chances are he'd get there faster than the guy dropping 15 balls. Look, I'm not saying he's (white) horrible, I'm saying dropping 15 passes is horrible and it is. all I'm saying is that if he were a better player or open more, he probably would have gotten more targets. skinsguy 01-25-2012, 10:34 AM The numbers are what they are. There are variables to everything if you really want to go down that path. You can use that line of reasoning with everything. Sacks, INTS, tackles, fumbles, passing yards, blocks, rushing yards, etc. In the end, the numbers are what they are. Rex Grossman threw 20 INTs this year, I don't see a * denoting a few of those INTs were caused by the WR. Nope. They presented the numbers and they are accurate. They aren't going to include some hail mary catch that isn't catchable as part of the stat, which is why they have "catchable" listed and not "targeted". Also, nobody concluded their fundamentals are lacking. We are concluding their catching ability is. Drew Brees has 3 WRs in the top 20 on this list and Aaron Rodgers has 2. Always helps a good QB when you have decent guys catching the ball. I'll give ya that those numbers are what they are, and I will even give you that every single one of those catchable passes were right in the bread basket. But, I can't agree that a player dropping 15 of those 115 passes is horrible. That's about 85% of catchable passes completed. Maybe I'm alone in thinking that. Am I saying a player doesn't need to improve past that? No, not at all. But, if you're going to judge a player solely on these stats, you're not cut out to be a GM in the league. While we are just using these stats to prove that a receiver is not as good as people think he is, you can also use the same stats and logic to determine that having the three most dependable receivers on your team, Tate, Bryant, and Floyd does not get you in the playoffs. Nor does having the "best" receiver from these stats, Tate, gets you a record above .500. When I look at these stats, I see players who are being thrown to more than others because they are the "go to" receivers when you need a clutch catch. Yes, they dropped a few balls, but they obviously were dependable, otherwise the quarterback wouldn't throw to them. And when I see a receiver catching all 35 passes thrown to him, but knowing his team finished 7-9, that tells me those 35 passes were probably largely dump off passes, short high percentage passes. Or, that receiver benefited from the number one guy getting doubled a few times. Does that make him any less of a receiver? No not all, but it also doesn't make him the best receiver in the league. And maybe it's just semantics, but if a player's catching ability is not up to par, that tells me he is lacking sound fundamentals. Skills are improved by sound fundamentals. |
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