The Pro Days Thread

RG3 over Luck is the evaluation that tape guys give you when they look at two game tapes for each from this year and conclude that they see more difficult throws out of Griffin than Luck. Like that means something.

I mean, guys like Merril Hoge and Greg Cosell aren't just making stuff up/have no idea what they're talking about, but when you use less than 5% of the information available to you, I treat your opinion like you ignored 95% of the relevant information. Sometimes people who are highly qualified to give an informed opinion are a lot less qualified to make a direct conclusion.

RG3 over Luck is the evaluation that tape guys give you when they look at two game tapes for each from this year and conclude that they see more difficult throws out of Griffin than Luck. Like that means something.

I mean, guys like Merril Hoge and Greg Cosell aren't just making stuff up/have no idea what they're talking about, but when you use less than 5% of the information available to you, I treat your opinion like you ignored 95% of the relevant information. Sometimes people who are highly qualified to give an informed opinion are a lot less qualified to make a direct conclusion.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Merril Hoge, but apparently he watched 120 hours of film of RGIII and Luck. So say he split it 50/50. I find it hard to believe that 60 hours of RGIII only represents 5% of the info available of him.

Most say luck is safer.. why.? It's not like RG3 has any red flags

Success in a pro style offense (70%+ completion percentage last two seasons along with given the responsibility to make audibles at the line of scrimmage) combined with his ideal physical makeup for the position. Luck was also coached by Harbaugh so theres that.

RG3 comes from a spread system. Harder to figure out if numbers are more a product of ability or system. He has slightly better physical tools then Luck but he still comes form a gimmicky offense which makes him harder to project at the next level.

Scouts Inc's report might shed some light on this issue.

Luck:
Has great experience and shoulders a lot of responsibility conducting a pro-style offense. Is a natural when it comes to checking off the safety. Also shows the ability to go through progression reads.

Stanford football: Luck calls his own plays in Manning-esque fashion | College Hotline (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/10/02/stanford-football-luck-calls-his-own-plays-in-manning-esque-fashion/)

Griffin:
Baylor's offense does not translate to the NFL game. Has a lot to learn about identifying coverages and hot reads. Had very simple reads, and there is very little tape of him checking from one side of the field to the other.

The arm strength and 40 times wow fans. The stuff I posted above is the most important criteria among scouts and it's hard to quantify that through the combie fueled pre-draft process.

Also in regards to why Luck is safer, keep in mind Luck has never torn an ACL or left a game with concussion like symptoms. His only medical red flag was a broken finger that kept him out of the Sun Bowl against Oklahoma in 2009.

Both QB's have elite physical skill sets. However Luck has proven he's capable of running a pro style offense at the highest level (audibles, pre snap reads, looking off safeties, going through progressions, etc). Griffin is certainly more than capable of learning and eventually running a pro style offense but there's no tape of him doing it in college. Hence the difference between Luck being the "safe" pick and RG3 being the prospect with all the "upside."

Personally if you ask me they're both safe picks, Luck is just a little safer given his medical and experience in a pro style offense.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Merril Hoge, but apparently he watched 120 hours of film of RGIII and Luck. So say he split it 50/50. I find it hard to believe that 60 hours of RGIII only represents 5% of the info available of him.Point wasn't the number of hours invested in it (I haven't kept track of what I've spent on studying those two guys), but the fact that if you use just one medium (in this case, game tape), you only ever see a percentage of the relevant skills.

so i see alot of comparison between rg3 and vick. but how would you guys rate him agianst some of the younger quarterbacks in the league? like matt ryan, sam bradford, matt stafford or cam newton?

so i see alot of comparison between rg3 and vick. but how would you guys rate him agianst some of the younger quarterbacks in the league? like matt ryan, sam bradford, matt stafford or cam newton?

I'd rate him pretty highly among that group, would put his potential at this point higher than all except maybe Cam.

Do you think RG3 has a stronger more accurate deep ball arm then Cam Newton?
I would say I think RG3 is more accurate but not sure on the bigger arm.

If Luck has a great Pro Day today, I'll be on Cloud 9!

Even if he doesn't, I won't worry a bit about our future at QB. I sincerely believe that we can't lose by picking either Luck or RGIII.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Merril Hoge, but apparently he watched 120 hours of film of RGIII and Luck. So say he split it 50/50. I find it hard to believe that 60 hours of RGIII only represents 5% of the info available of him.

Even if it was, that still beats Joe fan watching some YouTube clips.

so i see alot of comparison between rg3 and vick. but how would you guys rate him agianst some of the younger quarterbacks in the league? like matt ryan, sam bradford, matt stafford or cam newton?

Most everything I have found dismisses the comparisons to Vick. He's at a better place in his development than Vick was at this point. I get uncomfortable with the comparison because I think it has more to do with the fact that they're both African-American than anything. It's a lazy parallel to draw.

RG3 is far superior as a passer than Vick ever was or ever will be. I agree, it's a lazy comparison. Not fair to RG3 at all.