One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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We are using three first round picks and a second round pick on one player. So we are still giving up 4 picks for one player. I love it though

Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right! :goodjob:

We have a pick this year in the first round. We swapped picks.


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gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?
I can.


Can we also agree, no matter how you slice the numbers, the St. Louis Rams got a boatload of our premium picks, and in exchange we get a player with the potential to be a star qb in this league.

Ultimately, I don't care how many Trent Williams, Chris Samuels, or Jansens you have on your team, if you don't have a qb that can win it in the beginning, middle and end of the game, then you aren't going to be a good team in this league. And yes one of the 2nd tier qb's may go on to be That Guy (not the Warpath's That Guy, but you know -- That Guy), but it may or may not be the one we chose. Imagine if Aaron Rodger's turned out to have a JCampbell style career, and JCampbell had the AR type career. It didn't happen, but pre draft, who knew. In fact Andrew Brandt on the Morning kick off was talking with Ross Tucker about how GB kept Rodgers on hold for 12 minutes while they hoped somebody would offer a trade back. What if we had made That Call. Or if someone else had, and we took AR.

well i would ramble a little more, cause I don't want to get back to work, but i guess I have too.

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


Tomato, Tomato.

It is, but it isn't.


It actually took 3 first and a 2nd to get that 1st, which was 4 spots ahead.


This reminds me of when the whole CBA thing was going on. The owners liked to say they were getting 60/40 split of the profits, but what they were doing is leaving off the 1 billion off the top so they can show the public how they were being neglected. The NLFPA side of it was that it was basically a 50/50 split (give or take a few percentages) once you add the 1 billion into the equation.

I think this all boils down to how you view the transaction.

I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen!

The Redskins have gone since 1985 without a true franchise QB. It was completely necessary for the Redskins front office to pay whatever price it took in order to get a franchise quarterback. We could have had one in the 2005 draft, but Joe Gibbs thought so much of Jason Campbell that he overlooked Aaron Rodgers. If the Redskins can get a strong and athletic RT in the draft to go along with T. Williams, K. Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, and Chester, then the offensive line could flourish into being one of the best in the NFL. Speaking of Griffin III staying healthy, I hope he gains another 15 pounds or so before training camp starts. He's going to get hit a lot by a lot of 245-260 pound linebackers. Griffin III is a slender 223 pounds now so lets hope that he can withstand the hits that an NFL QB takes.

As to the thread title, if this actually is the LAST Luck vs RGIII thread, I will be astounded.

Ain't NO such thing.

gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?


I can agree on this, but then, there is this from a Redskins.com page poster on the 99% Sure of RGIII Article:


"As a football fan I still question the price paid for RG3.As a Redskin fan I hope it is worth it and he becomes the Next Great NFL QB, but please do not question my love of the Redskins because I disagree and I am not jumping with joy. This year we will miss out on the 6th and 38th best player in the draft, In the next two years we will miss out on two of the top 20 players (if we go 8-8) in the draft. If you do not understand the cost and risk involed (injury being the big one as 1 injury now=100% of missing skill sets on the field vs 50% this year, 33% next and 25% in 2014)over the long term,you may not know football as well as you think you do. AGAIN:my concern is the cost and risk, I would have the same concern if he got Luck and not RG3. It is a roll of the dice by people who gave us McNabb,Grossman and Beck the last two years. Just food for thought.."



And now, I'm taking to calling him RG#1+#1+#1+#2.

The Redskins have gone since 1985 without a true franchise QB. It was completely necessary for the Redskins front office to pay whatever price it took in order to get a franchise quarterback. We could have had one in the 2005 draft, but Joe Gibbs thought so much of Jason Campbell that he overlooked Aaron Rodgers.Aaron Rodgers was drafted before Jason Campbell.

If the Redskins can get a strong and athletic RT in the draft to go along with T. Williams, K. Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, and Chester, then the offensive line could flourish into being one of the best in the NFL.Woah, one of the best in the NFL? Heck I'll be happy with not giving up top 5 QB hits and top 5 sacks.
But seriously a good RT is not going to elevate a bad OL into a one of the best in the NFL.
But a good RT can certainly give us a chance to have an average OL and that alone would be a upgrade.

There are fans of the 'what if' that will never agree with the price we paid to move up for RGIII because he represents 3 players who won't be Redskins (#2 this year, 1sts in '13 and '14) and regardless of what he becomes, those phantoms will be more valuable.

If Griffin develops into a star and the face this franchise has so desperately needed, I think that in most circles the price will be considered well worth it. On the field, it speaks to how poor we have been at that position, but his bar for measured success is relatively low. If over the next 2 years he has us in the playoffs and even winning a playoff game (or two) he will be considered a savior by some. If he brings excitement and explosiveness to the offense, he will be considered a star. His personality and marketability is already star level.

Ultimately, wins and losses will be the deciding factor. Slight homerism, but I think that over the span of their first contract, RGIII will have a better early career than Luck simply because Indy is completely terrible. They have nothing on their roster and are starting over. There's a decent chance that the Colts will be picking in the top 3 again next year.

We have somewhat of a framework that we are plugging RGIII into. Our defense is borderline playoff quality, our OL is average with potential to be good (and his mobility will make them better), our skill position players have potential to be good as well. If Griffin goes for 2800+ yds, 16 TD-10 INT plus 400 yds, 5 TD on the ground he's going to be the Rookie of the Year and have us in playoff contention.

Shanahan: Excited to get Griffin | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/redskins-confidential/2012/04/shanahan-excited-get-griffin/535061)

On how quickly he'll name him the starter: "You want to make sure he's ready to play, so you have to go through the process. You don't want to throw a guy in there until he's comfortable. It doesn't happen right away. When you give up a couple firsts and a second you want that guy in there as quick as possible, but you want to do it at the right time to make sure he's ready and gives you the best chance to help you win."


On changing his offense to fit a QB: “You always have to incorporate your offense to a skill set I’ve had seven different quarterbacks. Every quarterback I’ve dealt with was completely different. When I was first with John Elway, my first four years, it was a Dallas Cowboys type system. Dan Reeves came from there. When I went to San Francisco with Steve Young it was a West Coast offense with three- and five-step drops but we kind of incorporated different personnel groups and a few different formations. Not a lot. Then you come back to Denver with Elway again and we changed the offense from Dallas to a combination of what John wanted to do with shotgun and he did not like the three- and five-step drops, but he liked throwing out of the shotgun and moving out of the shotgun so that offense was a little different for the next four years. Brian Griese was completely different. We took formations and changed them up each week, he was one of the sharpest guys I’ve ever been around. You didn’t have much of the rollout package because he wasn’t the fastest guy. Jake Plummer, he could throw great with rollouts and bootlegs. Jake was great at it. He went from winning 36 percent of his games in Arizona to 72 in Denver. And Jay Cutler was a guy that could do everything. … You have to look at who your quarterback is and what your supporting cast is and give that quarterback the best chance to win.”


More good work by Keim.