I Want ----- To Shut Me Up In 2012

If Hall's not our worst defensive player, who is?

It would have to be someone who has yet to develop like Barnes, or someone we just acquired, like Meriweather. Otherwise, who on the defense is in the same league as Hall in terms of negative defensive value?

Well at varying points last year it would have been anyone who lined up at safety ( Doughty, Gomes, Atogwe) or McIntosh when he was in the game. Now, the same could be said for any of our projected safeties, any of our nickel corners.. Hall is an average cover corner with playmaking skills. He's not elite nor is he hot garbage.

Problem is, he is the #1 CB. If he was the nickle or dime back, I doubt people would be complaining. Or maybe they would be, but I wouldn't. I think Hall would actually be a quite good nickle back.

They probably would complain. The people who bash D Hall actually believe that he is worst than our 2nd, 3rd and 4th DB's because they only remember the plays where he gets beat. Nobody says anything about the plays that he covers his man - they only speak about when he gets beat. This is the nature of playing CB.

I agree, the problem is that he is our #1 CB. I personally have D Hall being better than a nickel back tho - I have him being a starter - a 2nd corner who is asked to be a #1 CB. If we let our backup DB's cover the #1 receiver each week then the D Hall bashers would see that he is actually our best option right now. They just see D Hall getting beat and then say "he sucks". lol He is not worst than our 3rd and 4th DB's and we have no other options. I could understand bashing him if we had better options but we don't. These people that say get rid of D Hall crack me up.

I really dont think DHall should even be mentioned. Theres many teams with a lesser #1 CB and if were crying over DHall or nebody who is for that matter lost all touch with the game to me. Maybe DHall will be a liability in a couple years with ageing but not NOW. Hes not Champ Bailey we know that... hes not perfect either we know that too but DHall is consistent enough TO ME to not be mentioned on a shut me up thread because hes had some nice performances for us and i cant think of one game he was the reason we lost besides the ONE PLAY Dez got free for ONE CATCH after DHall had shut him down all game. And if u ask me it was our offense to blame that game.

I agree. But that cover 0 that Haslett called without safety help over the top is just plain stupid. One play play beats you on 3rd and 17 (or whatever it was) and to not have safety help is CRAZY to me.

Well at varying points last year it would have been anyone who lined up at safety ( Doughty, Gomes, Atogwe) or McIntosh when he was in the game. Now, the same could be said for any of our projected safeties, any of our nickel corners.. Hall is an average cover corner with playmaking skills. He's not elite nor is he hot garbage.At times, he's in fact not hot garbage, and even makes consecutive plays. But the season is too long, and he gets exposed every year.

I don't think its conclusive that Doughty plays defense worse than Hall does, but it's been a pretty fierce incompetence battle over the last two seasons.

I agree. But that cover 0 that Haslett called without safety help over the top is just plain stupid. One play play beats you on 3rd and 17 (or whatever it was) and to not have safety help is CRAZY to me.

And this is the reason why our secondary will continue to suck unless our pass rush gets much better or our defensive coaches realize that we dont have the CBs to pull this off.

I do think that an improved offense will help a lot, and hopefully they wont always put the defense in situations where they have to keep a small lead.

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I might get killed for this be Fletcher. I'm worried that when he starts to go downhill it's going to happen like a porn star hooked on meth.

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I can do this all day long.

who's that fitz? Fitz has ridiculous release of the line of scrimmage. Bet u can find a photo of him smoking who'd ud say was an elite CB too.

c'mon man.. We could get alot worse at CB.

who's that fitz? Fitz has ridiculous release of the line of scrimmage. Bet u can find a photo of him smoking who'd ud say was an elite CB too.

c'mon man.. We could get alot worse at CB.


We could do a lot worse for a lot less, we could do a lot more with the same, or what a smart team does is get what you paid for and that's not the case of DHall. It was D Halls salary that made the team have to keep him while 'Los walked out the door and became a pro bowler. That's like ordering caviar on an emPty stomach and the bill shows up and your still hungry and probably in need of a toilet.
Haslett screwed the pooch making DHall on an island. I think Hall can only run in 1 direction, forward. He's like Zoolander who can't turn left, he's not an ambi-runner.

I can do this all day long.

Our secondary has a history of getting burned...

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Rogers getting burned by D. Jackson

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Landry getting toasted by D. Jackson

If people would get off D. Hall for a second, they'd realize that our entire secondary has been subpar since the days of Sean Taylor and Shawn Springs. Hall is not going to become Revis or Nnamdi (in his Oakland days) to carry a subpar secondary, and the previous DBs coach continued to play Hall like he's a #1 shutdown corner.

As I said before, I hope that either R. Morris does something with this group, or that other parts of the team can compensate for this weakness. I don't think many QBs are going to be afraid of Hall, Wilson, T. Jackson and Merriweather.

Reed Doughty. I appreciate that he's a hard worker and earned his spot, but he has no business starting in the NFL, in my opinion. To me, he's a lot like Lorenzo Alexander: hard worker, the type of guy you want around your team, can fire people up, but I don't really ever want to see either of them get a start. Not because I don't like them, because they're not that good at playing professional football.

To me, they're both special teamers who deserve to be on the team, but shouldn't start a game. Ever.

I hope one or both of them prove to be better than that.