Lets make a deal

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diehardskin2982
02-22-2005, 03:14 PM
What kind of deal would you like the Redskins to get for L.C? What do you expect the deal to be right now, releasing him, or trading him is a financial constraint to the Skins. Everything is a lose- Lose situation. So therefore let play 'lets make a deal' and come up with some sugestions on how to deal with this problem.

I never believed in something for nothing. Releasing Coles to me would just be absurd. He is a great player, who has value. So the skins are in the driver seat so, it may be the seat of a hoptie but its a seat non the less.

If I was the GM I would try one of these two trades. First I'd try a LC for Darren Howard and our 2nd rounder back. I'd offer nothing more, nothing less if they didn't accept the trade thats fine I'd move on. We have a good trade relationship with the saints, so it might work. Horn is getting older and stallworth seems to be a bust.

Another Idea would be a trade for boldin out of Arizona. The cardinals would get they're deep threat in Coles, and we would get our tough guy in Boldin. Boldin was injured last season so I hoped that brought down his trade value.
Bye Coles :Flush: Hello Boldin :biggthump

I don't know what would happen, knowing snyder we may still be in the picture for the Moss trade now...

skinsguy
02-22-2005, 03:25 PM
It seems that Coles is pushing to become a free agent, I don't believe we would actually aquire any type of deal other than just letting him go. Maybe the only deal I see, is telling his agent...we'll let Coles be a free agent and go to any team of his choosing so as long as he makes it easier on us, salary cap wise. Otherwise, I'm thinking about the only way out would be for him to retire.

Big C
02-22-2005, 03:50 PM
id trade coles for a different position, cuz i think we could get a better player from another position. if we trader WR for WR, their skills prolly wouldnt match up well since coles has a bad toe and we are desperate. id trade him for DE abraham or a good DT/CB, maybe even a safety.

Beemnseven
02-22-2005, 04:00 PM
As someone else has already stated in another thread, it was leaked that the Redskins were going to release Coles anyway. You don't EVER give away one of your players for a guy who from all indications was already expected to be released. That doesn't even take into account the reports of a nagging toe injury.

Just like Wilber Marshall of long ago, and the Champ Bailey fiasco just recently, the Skins are going to have another one broken off in the ass yet again -- getting nothing in return for great players that get pryed away.

Instead of all these free agents, why don't we try to sign Scott Peoli of the Patriots? Maybe that way we can stop the endless train of boneheaded, buffoon-like personnel decisions.

celts32
02-22-2005, 04:05 PM
What kind of deal would you like the Redskins to get for L.C? What do you expect the deal to be right now, releasing him, or trading him is a financial constraint to the Skins. Everything is a lose- Lose situation. So therefore let play 'lets make a deal' and come up with some sugestions on how to deal with this problem.

I never believed in something for nothing. Releasing Coles to me would just be absurd. He is a great player, who has value. So the skins are in the driver seat so, it may be the seat of a hoptie but its a seat non the less.

If I was the GM I would try one of these two trades. First I'd try a LC for Darren Howard and our 2nd rounder back. I'd offer nothing more, nothing less if they didn't accept the trade thats fine I'd move on. We have a good trade relationship with the saints, so it might work. Horn is getting older and stallworth seems to be a bust.

Another Idea would be a trade for boldin out of Arizona. The cardinals would get they're deep threat in Coles, and we would get our tough guy in Boldin. Boldin was injured last season so I hoped that brought down his trade value.
Bye Coles :Flush: Hello Boldin :biggthump

I don't know what would happen, knowing snyder we may still be in the picture for the Moss trade now...


I don't think Coles is a great player. He had one great season in NY but that was 3 years ago and one bad toe injury ago. I would be shocked if the skins got more than a #2 for him, but it's more like a #3. Most teams will probably wait until he is a free agent and get him for free. Why would anyone want to trade draft picks or players for someone who is most likely to be released.

The Abraham trade is ludicrous also. The Jets would have to be insane to trade a premeir DE for a damaged WR. ABrahams value is somewhere between one and two #1 picks. Can anyone on this board make a case for LC having that sort of value?

I think the best we can do is get him to give back some money and just release him.

MTK
02-22-2005, 04:08 PM
At this point if we just get the $5M in cap relief for his bonus I'd be happy. If we don't have to bite the full bullet for his release I'll take that as a small victory.

At this point I think it's best to just resolve this situation as quickly as possible.

If we can pull the trigger on a trade I'd be very surprised.

DCopper04
02-22-2005, 04:10 PM
To start things off, under no circumstances would I let Coles walk. We must get something for him. This means that he will have to convert a large portion of his bonus into base salary, and work out an agreement with the other team on a new contract. If he does not agree to giving up his bonus along with being traded, then we must keep him. We cannot absorb a $9M cap hit because Coles is unsatisfied with his 90 receptions.

The odds of us getting a great deal for him are slim, but I think we would do well to try and fill a void by either getting a solid player at a needed position or getting a draft pick (likely a 2nd rounder.) All of this speculation about getting Abraham is nonsense. Abraham's value outweighs Coles' by a longshot. In the best case scenario, I see us getting a 2nd rounder so that we can draft an interior lineman. That gets rid of a problem player and helps to fill one of our main needs.

celts32
02-22-2005, 04:18 PM
I would be thrilled to just get the 5 million back and move on. Look at it this way, in today's NFL salary cap era 5 million in cap space is like getting a player in return. With an additional 5 million in cap space they can sign a player equal to Coles in value. Actually, with 5 million in cap space you can sign almost any player in the league and fit it in to the cap. We don't need controversy this offseason. The player doesn't want to be here so get rid of him and move on. No one player on this team is more important than the whole. Gibbs is building an organization for the long haul and he has no intentions of building it with people that don't want to be part of it.

celts32
02-22-2005, 04:24 PM
And as far as the likelyhood of the trade goes...do you see any teams lining up to trade for Mushin Muhamed right now? Nope, becasue they know that Carolina is going to cut him. Trading Coles is nonsense...the Redskins are going to look into it for sure becasue they would be stupid to at least not explore every avenue. But in the end they will find cool trade waters and come to the realization that they need to just cut ties with LC and move on...

MTK
02-22-2005, 04:25 PM
Well, it's not like we're getting $5M in cap space, we're just getting $5M taken off his cap hit. We won't be getting off scott free, but the hit won't be as severe.

Instead of a $9M cap hit, we might be looking at $3-4.

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