Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

Thank you very much for the clarification.

So since we had a credit of 13mil then the ramifications of the next 18mil could be a little more severe to how we are able to work our roster this offseason. Is that a fair assessment CC?

Yes that is a fair assessment. But like CRed said I don't think these issues are insurmountable. A couple restructures and cap related moves and we should be ok.

In the Vinny days we didn't have to deal with penalties but always had big deadcap charges. For instance when we traded Coles for Moss we took an instant $9M deadcap hit.

So while $18M sounds (and is) a lot, it's not that big of a deal, at least in Redskins cap land.

Gotcha. Still this isn't optimal.

Thanks for all the info!

maybe, but so far BA has shown a good ability to manage the situation. I am sure there will be some negative effect, after all it was a 36Million dollar handicap to the rest of the league. But my belief is that we will be better prepared to deal with it this year, than last when it was sprung after all the plans had been made. And if any relief at all is given, well so much the better.

I guess another way of looking at it is if there were no uncapped year, we would have been screwed anyway because we'd have been stuck with all those horrible contracts (that we dumped in the uncapped year).

I guess another way of looking at it is if there were no uncapped year, we would have been screwed anyway because we'd have been stuck with all those horrible contracts (that we dumped in the uncapped year).

Right, I think the 36 million was basically the sum of those horrible contracts, and in a sense rather than taking some untimely/insurmountable hit, we made them slightly more manageable, and with some reasonably benign cap magic we make them **disappear** (waving a wand of course)

I guess another way of looking at it is if there were no uncapped year, we would have been screwed anyway because we'd have been stuck with all those horrible contracts (that we dumped in the uncapped year).

I've asked this before: Has anyone added up the benefit to our cap numbers by dumping the Haynesworth contract etc? I just wonder what real net penalty (if any) we incurred when all is said and done...

The real net penalty would be more than numbers, it would have to include the

(1) last minute notice before FA which prevented us from advance planning
(2) forcing us to take it all up front instead of over a few years as we would have done w/o uncapped year

The real net penalty would be more than numbers, it would have to include the

(1) last minute notice before FA which prevented us from advance planning
(2) forcing us to take it all up front instead of over a few years as we would have done w/o uncapped year

True, but over time we would have incurred the full cap hit. I was just trying to understand whether the penalty exceeds the full effect of the contract dump in dollars and cents.

If our cap penalty was wiped out, wouldn't that mean that the other teams would have to give up the $800K or so cap space they got to make the overall cap of the NFL stay the same?

True, but over time we would have incurred the full cap hit. I was just trying to understand whether the penalty exceeds the full effect of the contract dump in dollars and cents.According to this article LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/23/collusion-suit-directly-resulted-from-redskins-cowboys-cap-penalties/), we spent over $225 Million. ($123+$102) The salary cap for 2009 was $128 mil. So yeah, the $36 mil penalty isn't as much as we "overspent" in the uncapped year.

Still, springing the penalty on the literal eve of free agency was a dick move by Goodell/Mara that cost us beyond dollars.

I think we still came out ahead, but we shouldn't have been penalized in the first place. In a just world, the penalty doesn't stick, and Danny and Jerrah get to sit back and laugh as owners that depend on revenue sharing try to figure out how to stay afloat while the NFL loses billions in a collusion lawsuit to the NFLPA. And all the fingers point at Mara for causing this disaster.

I would think Dan and Jerra are are not very forgiving sort of fellas'. If I were involved in their teams cap penalties, I would be watchin' my respective ass.....
Like that Giants guy......
kicking they're ass out of the playoffs must feel good to Dan...