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SmootSmack 11-06-2013, 04:45 PM I think in some ways focusing on the name is one way for them to draw attention to the other issues. Because let's face it, how many people were even thinking about all the other problems until they said "Why are they worried about the name, look at all the other problems they've got"
HailGreen28 11-06-2013, 05:08 PM Just what this thread needs, some political injection. Thanks for being that guy (no offense, the real that guy).
What's sad is that after gaining steam and eventually getting the name changed, everyone is going to go back to ignoring the Native Americans. And one more reminder of their presence will be removed from the mainstream.Dude, as you almost certainly know, it's been political. That has as much to do with this estranged onieda casino owner having pull in this matter, than his native american connections. Not to mention why the vast majority of people "offended" by the name aren't native american.
I don't expect this to become an issue over voting choice, just saying.
I agree with everything else you said in your post.
punch it in 11-06-2013, 07:56 PM I think in some ways focusing on the name is one way for them to draw attention to the other issues. Because let's face it, how many people were even thinking about all the other problems until they said "Why are they worried about the name, look at all the other problems they've got"
Zero...zilch...and nada
Edit : its just this hairbitter (?) guy comes across as more of looking to put himself in the spotlite as opposed to the plight of native americans.
So I am not sure that was his intent, but if that is what comes of it that is great.
punch it in 11-06-2013, 08:01 PM Dude, as you almost certainly know, it's been political. That has as much to do with this estranged onieda casino owner having pull in this matter, than his native american connections. Not to mention why the vast majority of people "offended" by the name aren't native american.
I don't expect this to become an issue over voting choice, just saying.
I agree with everything else you said in your post.
I am not offended by the name, but I dont think it matters if you are native american or not. I get offended when I hear someone say something that I deem racist whether it applies to me personally or not.
Lotus 11-06-2013, 08:09 PM Dude, as you almost certainly know, it's been political. That has as much to do with this estranged onieda casino owner having pull in this matter, than his native american connections. Not to mention why the vast majority of people "offended" by the name aren't native american.
I don't expect this to become an issue over voting choice, just saying.
I agree with everything else you said in your post.
Halbritter is just part of the anti-name campaign. The American Indian Movement (often known just as AIM) is also hosting a protest at our game in Minnesota. AIM is a major, influential pan-Indian organization which includes members from many tribes and is not associated with Halbritter's Oneida Nation. AIM advocates for Native American rights in a number of ways.
Skinzman 11-06-2013, 08:29 PM Halbritter is just part of the anti-name campaign. The American Indian Movement (often known just as AIM) is also hosting a protest at our game in Minnesota. AIM is a major, influential pan-Indian organization which includes members from many tribes and is not associated with Halbritter's Oneida Nation. AIM advocates for Native American rights in a number of ways.
The irony of your post. Russel Means, AIM's first National Director and a former famous actor, called the term 'Native American' racist.
Most Indians want to be called by their tribal affiliation over being called an Indian or Native American. But between those two names, most prefer Indian or American Indian over Native American, with a fair amount of Indians flat out calling 'Native American' a derogatory term. When this country was in control of their ancestors, it wasnt called America, and when it became America, they were kicked off of their land.
If its about the Indians, then lets get Andrew Jackson off of the $20 bill. If we really want to offer Indians a symbolic gesture, lets put Sitting Bull, Cochise, or some other famous Indian chief of the past on the $20 bill.
punch it in 11-06-2013, 08:48 PM The irony of your post. Russel Means, AIM's first National Director and a former famous actor, called the term 'Native American' racist.
Most Indians want to be called by their tribal affiliation over being called an Indian or Native American. But between those two names, most prefer Indian or American Indian over Native American, with a fair amount of Indians flat out calling 'Native American' a derogatory term. When this country was in control of their ancestors, it wasnt called America, and when it became America, they were kicked off of their land.
If its about the Indians, then lets get Andrew Jackson off of the $20 bill. If we really want to offer Indians a symbolic gesture, lets put Sitting Bull, Cochise, or some other famous Indian chief of the past on the $20 bill.
I saw a show, forget where, about native americans/ indians and andrew jackson. They were referring to him as Hitler and what a disgrace it is that he is on the 20 dollar bill.
I get your point about "native americans". Indian puzzles me too though. They arent from the west indies or India. The term indian in reference to native americans stemmed from a case of mistaken identity - because settlers had thought they had landed in the west indies. Anyway to refer to them by their tribal names - well thats just complicated. Anyway this all falls into the "name vs important issue " deal.
Giantone 11-07-2013, 01:52 AM I think in some ways focusing on the name is one way for them to draw attention to the other issues. Because let's face it, how many people were even thinking about all the other problems until they said "Why are they worried about the name, look at all the other problems they've got"
We have a winner folks .
Chico23231 11-07-2013, 06:45 AM I think in some ways focusing on the name is one way for them to draw attention to the other issues. Because let's face it, how many people were even thinking about all the other problems until they said "Why are they worried about the name, look at all the other problems they've got"
Kinda like how all of a sudden all these people are offended by the name Redskins.
Lotus 11-07-2013, 08:11 AM The irony of your post. Russel Means, AIM's first National Director and a former famous actor, called the term 'Native American' racist.
Most Indians want to be called by their tribal affiliation over being called an Indian or Native American. But between those two names, most prefer Indian or American Indian over Native American, with a fair amount of Indians flat out calling 'Native American' a derogatory term. When this country was in control of their ancestors, it wasnt called America, and when it became America, they were kicked off of their land.
If its about the Indians, then lets get Andrew Jackson off of the $20 bill. If we really want to offer Indians a symbolic gesture, lets put Sitting Bull, Cochise, or some other famous Indian chief of the past on the $20 bill.
I understand your post and don't essentially disagree. You are correct that tribal affiliation is generally preferred. In my experience you go a bit too far, though. Unlike Russell Means, whom you quote accurately, many Indians don't mind being called Native Americans.
Here Jeff Harrel takes your Andrew Jackson-type argument and runs with it all the way to "Give us our land back."
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