FRPLG
03-17-2005, 09:48 PM
Steroids were illegal throughout the 90's. They simply weren't tested for because the CBA didn't contain any language as such. There was enough labor acrimony that the last thing anyone wanted to deal with was drug testing. They were worrying about staying in business so owners didn't push for it because it would have proven just another big hurdle in getting players on the field.
I disagree with those who think there should e asterisks. It is accepted that some players of the recent era were using steroids and by defualt all records set offensivley are completely tarnished. It is detrimental to the game to ahve these records on the books but...
If you consider removing them or even putting an asterisk next to them you start down a very slippery slope. To even consider such action would in my opinion require insurmountable evidence of steroid use. In the end it seems more detrimental to the game to start wiping out records. I think we move foward with the knowledge the many records are tarnished. Maybe down the road when all these guys are long gone they talk about removing them.
CrazyCanuck
03-18-2005, 01:10 AM
I'm not in favor of asterisks. There have always been cheaters in the game.
It's the league's responsibility to enforce the rules, and given that MLB is probably the worst run league in the history of sports, I'm not surprised that they haven't. It would also help if they had some rules to begin with.
While I don't doubt that many of today's players are juiced, I don't think it's fair to punish them based on rules that didn't exist.
PS - Anyone catch the hearings today? - high comedy.
Sosa, Canseco, Palmeiro, McGwire, Schilling all sitting at the same table (Frank Thomas via satellite) with congressmen firing questions at them. Funny stuff.
Here's my report card:
- Sosa - looked as juiced as ever
- Canseco - juiced
- McGwire - juiced
- Palmeiro - looked clean to me
- Schilling - not juiced I don't think, just a little fat
- Thomas - underterminable due to satellite feed
GO NATS
All I know is I'm really tired of hearing about roids and baseball. It just makes me hate baseball that much more. Of course a bunch of these guys were juicing, HR numbers have gone through the roof and the players look like linebackers. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what was going on.
BDBohnzie
03-18-2005, 11:27 AM
steroids are and were illegal....
however, they were not tested for, and unless you find someone who comes forward and feely admits to taking them (ala Canseco), then there isn't much you can do except speculate. there is no proof that they would have tested positive...
if the record books are laced with asterisks, you tarnish an already tarnished sport. as long as they go forward in their thinking, I honestly do not see a reason to add asterisks to the records.
both bud selig and donald fehr are the wrong guys you want representing your sport...
Daseal
03-20-2005, 12:49 PM
Just disband it - baseball is a joke and football should be our national sport.
skinsfanthru&thru
03-23-2005, 10:47 AM
anyone else hear that bs that bonds was saying yesterday? what a joke, blaming the media and everyone else for his "pain" and wanting to hurt him. I will be so glad to see him fade away and not hear about his every at bat on espn. Anyone else get pissed when they kept jumping into programing to cover each of his at bats until he got past Mays? He is one of the few pro athletes I can say I loathe and root against with all my might.
redrock-skins
03-23-2005, 02:40 PM
anyone else hear that bs that bonds was saying yesterday? what a joke, blaming the media and everyone else for his "pain" and wanting to hurt him. I will be so glad to see him fade away and not hear about his every at bat on espn. Anyone else get pissed when they kept jumping into programing to cover each of his at bats until he got past Mays? He is one of the few pro athletes I can say I loathe and root against with all my might.
He dared to insult Babe Ruth and the ghost of Ruth came back and pulled a Tonya Harding on his knee.
gibbsisgod
03-23-2005, 06:26 PM
i heard on the tony kornheiser show this morning that tony beleives this guy should be a hall of famer??? excuse me... he is a cheating bastard.and anywhere Barry Bonds name appears it should also say he cheated to get where he got. and not only bonds,this goes for anyone who cheats
skinsfanthru&thru
03-23-2005, 10:27 PM
i heard on the tony kornheiser show this morning that tony beleives this guy should be a hall of famer??? excuse me... he is a cheating bastard.and anywhere Barry Bonds name appears it should also say he cheated to get where he got. and not only bonds,this goes for anyone who cheats
while I hate the guy, u can't deny what he did before he mysteriously added all of that muscle in a year or 2. didn't he win multiple mvps before 98? he's the only player to have 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases, was averaging 25-35 hrs a season, and he used to be a decent to good fielder at one time as well. I hate him as a person from some of the things he's said, I hate the way he acts like he's better than everyone else and is above reproach, and I hate how he's one of the biggest frauds in pro sports, but I can still acknowledge his accomplishments pre-huge forehead and bulging biceps.
redrock-skins
03-24-2005, 02:04 AM
I read on Espn that some argue Ruth should have an asterisk, because he played in a segregated game. Interesting point reagrdless of your view on Bonds.