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mredskins 09-25-2013, 12:48 PM Didn't say "bad" just "Not so Good". I understand you can debate TW vs. Okung. But what you can't debate is TW had questionable work ethic, which was confirmed by OU staff and in his Bench numbers (23 reps for a top-rated LT ain't good).
Redskins Insider - Trent Williams' potential: an assessment from Oklahoma (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/the-main-knock-against-left.html)
If you look at TW today, he still has a "soft" body and that drug suspension shows lack of discipline as well.
You could argue he is the best player on this team.
Slingin Sammy 33 09-25-2013, 12:50 PM You can argue TW and McNabb as bad FO decisions. But the Carlos Rogers and Landry moves IMO weren't bad moves, we werent going to pay Rogers what he wanted and he didnt want to be here anymore. He never proved himself here, and Landry was injured too often and when he didnt get offseason surgery they werent going to pay him either. So hindsight is 50/50 lol on those.The Rogers situation could've possible been resolved if handled differently. I don't have any inside info, but I believe if the Coaching staff and FO had shown him a little more, he would've stayed for a reasonable contract. I would argue that he was a very solid tackling & cover corner, but his hands were the issue.
Landry didn't sign a ridiculous contract with the Jets, we could've worked this one out as well IMHO.
Slingin Sammy 33 09-25-2013, 12:50 PM You could argue he is the best player on this team.Not with what I've seen from him so far in 2013, not even close.
Chico23231 09-25-2013, 01:05 PM The Rogers situation could've possible been resolved if handled differently. I don't have any inside info, but I believe if the Coaching staff and FO had shown him a little more, he would've stayed for a reasonable contract. I would argue that he was a very solid tackling & cover corner, but his hands were the issue.
Landry didn't sign a ridiculous contract with the Jets, we could've worked this one out as well IMHO.
Shanny and Co have never gotten the secondary straight. Tough to argue otherwise. Ill always be pissed about Rogers...but Landry isnt a great talent, but still better than we got now.
BaltimoreSkins 09-25-2013, 01:07 PM The Rogers situation could've possible been resolved if handled differently. I don't have any inside info, but I believe if the Coaching staff and FO had shown him a little more, he would've stayed for a reasonable contract. I would argue that he was a very solid tackling & cover corner, but his hands were the issue.
Landry didn't sign a ridiculous contract with the Jets, we could've worked this one out as well IMHO.
If we did resign Rogers who would you not be paying right now? Same for Landry. I would agree Landry right now is an upgrade from what we have at safety but there is no way he signs an incentive laden contract with the Redskins, he signed that because he had no other options.
JoeRedskin 09-25-2013, 01:16 PM Didn't say "bad" just "Not so Good". I understand you can debate TW vs. Okung. But what you can't debate is TW had questionable work ethic, which was confirmed by OU staff and in his Bench numbers (23 reps for a top-rated LT ain't good).
Redskins Insider - Trent Williams' potential: an assessment from Oklahoma (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/the-main-knock-against-left.html)
If you look at TW today, he still has a "soft" body and that drug suspension shows lack of discipline as well.
C'mon man. By all accounts, the suspension was a serious wake up call to him. Since that time, he has - according to the accounts I have read - changed considerably. You want to say he has a "soft" body? Fine, but the guy is a warrior.
Trent Williams and a new kind of pride - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/64461/trent-williams-and-a-new-kind-of-pride)
Redskins LT Williams making up for suspension | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-lt-williams-making-up-for-suspension/article/2509713#.UGyIapiHKSo)
Bucket 09-25-2013, 01:26 PM I feel like we need a spotlight thread.
Every week it's a different player that this thread wants to hate on..
T. Williams is an awesome player, and outside a bad half this year he's been solid his whole career.
The Goat 09-25-2013, 01:58 PM I feel like we need a spotlight thread.
Every week it's a different player that this thread wants to hate on..
T. Williams is an awesome player, and outside a bad half this year he's been solid his whole career.
This thread is brand new.
Trent is our best o lineman and the least of our worries, right?
Per Rogers and Landry, the FO handled them poorly. This regime (Shanny) has a knack for turning a cold shoulder to players, which isn't an indictment in and of itself when the team is disciplined, prepared etc. I'm thinking of Belichick here, willing to cut or trade a player cold but that team buys in year after year. SHANNY DOES NOT GET THE BUY IN. I don't know how anyone can see it another way. This team is not disciplined, prepared, highly motivated or any of the things you see on a well coached team.
Slingin Sammy 33 09-25-2013, 02:01 PM C'mon man. By all accounts, the suspension was a serious wake up call to him. Since that time, he has - according to the accounts I have read - changed considerably. You want to say he has a "soft" body? Fine, but the guy is a warrior.
Trent Williams and a new kind of pride - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/64461/trent-williams-and-a-new-kind-of-pride)
Redskins LT Williams making up for suspension | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-lt-williams-making-up-for-suspension/article/2509713#.UGyIapiHKSo)This isn't just directed at you, but also others who jump on anything negative said about TW. I'm not saying the guy is garbage, I'm saying he's not playing up to the expectations of the #4 overall pick.
Yes he made the Pro Bowl last year, I believe that was due to the success of the last 7 games of the season and due to the RO and Ds not being able to quickly gameplan a counter for it giving us stats in the ground game. Is TW a top-10 LT? Is he better than: Okung, Joe Thomas, Clady, B. Albert, Duane Brown, Jake Long, Joe Staley, Vollmer, Bushrod, Kalil?
What makes this guy such a "warrior"? He has incredible raw physical gifts, but hasn't developed into a dominant LT. From what I've seen so far this year, this guy is just making blocks with a stalemate, not clearing holes and finishing. At times he's just as lost as everyone else out there. Is he our best O-Lineman, yes. Is that saying a great deal......?
Slingin Sammy 33 09-25-2013, 02:06 PM If we did resign Rogers who would you not be paying right now? Same for Landry. I would agree Landry right now is an upgrade from what we have at safety but there is no way he signs an incentive laden contract with the Redskins, he signed that because he had no other options.If we resigned Rogers, Hall or Wilson would likely be the nickel and Amerson on the other side of Rogers.
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