Musgrave.

Don't you think the short balls on 3rd and long were more playcalling than Ramsey? Never saw him go for something less than a 1st down in Spurriers offense. I think Gibbs was just trying to play field position and wanted to move it some. Hell, we ran some jrunning plays on 3rd and long. I can remember one that worked.

I think this is Ramsey's time and he has all new receivers to get used to. I think he likes McCants - when McCants came into that game Ramsey hooked up with him what, 3 times in a row and marched right down the field? I'm not yet on the McCants bandwagon, but if a QB really likes a WR like that - let them work together!

Don't you think the short balls on 3rd and long were more playcalling than Ramsey? Never saw him go for something less than a 1st down in Spurriers offense.

Hey! What happened to you not bringing up Spurrier again in exchange for us helping you out on your Jainism exam? A pox on you!

I said I'd try!

I said I'd try!

Such perserverance! You lasted how many days? Or should we count it in hours? :food-smil

Don't you think the short balls on 3rd and long were more playcalling than Ramsey? Never saw him go for something less than a 1st down in Spurriers offense. I think Gibbs was just trying to play field position and wanted to move it some. Hell, we ran some jrunning plays on 3rd and long. I can remember one that worked.

I watched the tapes on some of hte NFL Network stuff about how we threw short on 3 and longs. It appeared to me that on several occasions there were open receivers beyond the marker, but Ramsey threw short. Maybe the open WR's ran the wrong route causing them not to be where PR expected them, maybe PR was feeling pressured, maybe PR just didn't see'em, or maybe he was still trying to get comfortable in a truly pro style offense after a college of shotgun and 2 years of Spurrier. Again, I don't think everyone of those 3rd and long passes was intended to go short. As I recall his offense, Gibbs ran hard and then played the intermediate passing game with an occassional bomb to keep the D honest. As for runs on third and long, every team does it on occasion, and it often works if the passing game is hitting.

Can I hear an "OH YEAH" for a Joe Washington draw play??

Can I hear an "OH YEAH" for a Joe Washington draw play??

Just as a complete aside, anyone remember the time J. Washington broke a long run and, after about 10-15 yards, tried to juke a couple of tacklers, cut back up on his run, literally ran in a circle avoiding tacklers, and, instead of actually tackling him, the defenders hemmed him in against the sideline - he came to a complete stop and then he and the defenders stared at each trying to figure out what to do next until he finally just stepped out of bounds. After the play (which seemed to take about 45 seconds), the cameras cut to Gibbs watching the play and he was laughing his head off as J. Washington ran around and finally just sorta had to stop. It looked like farmhands trying to tackle a greased pig.

I think it was in the regular season Oakland game of the '82 season (when we met them in the superbowl).

Just as a complete aside, anyone remember the time J. Washington broke a long run and, after about 10-15 yards, tried to juke a couple of tacklers, cut back up on his run, literally ran in a circle avoiding tacklers, and, instead of actually tackling him, the defenders hemmed him in against the sideline - he came to a complete stop and then he and the defenders stared at each trying to figure out what to do next until he finally just stepped out of bounds. After the play (which seemed to take about 45 seconds), the cameras cut to Gibbs watching the play and he was laughing his head off as J. Washington ran around and finally just sorta had to stop. It looked like farmhands trying to tackle a greased pig.

I think it was in the regular season Oakland game of the '82 season (when we met them in the superbowl).

Was that the one where Theismann threw a block for him after he cut back? I think that was against the Giants, and in that game Mark Moseley kicked his then record 20th consecutive field goal to give the Redskins a 15-14 win.

I watched the tapes on some of hte NFL Network stuff about how we threw short on 3 and longs. It appeared to me that on several occasions there were open receivers beyond the marker, but Ramsey threw short. Maybe the open WR's ran the wrong route causing them not to be where PR expected them, maybe PR was feeling pressured, maybe PR just didn't see'em, or maybe he was still trying to get comfortable in a truly pro style offense after a college of shotgun and 2 years of Spurrier. Again, I don't think everyone of those 3rd and long passes was intended to go short. As I recall his offense, Gibbs ran hard and then played the intermediate passing game with an occassional bomb to keep the D honest. As for runs on third and long, every team does it on occasion, and it often works if the passing game is hitting.

Can I hear an "OH YEAH" for a Joe Washington draw play??


I saw that segment on the NFL network and it looked to me like they were really trying to make Ramsey the scapgoat, when they showed the replay I didn't see anyone open and that was the first thing I said was where did they want him to throw it? The other recievers were running short routes as well and they were running them right into the defenders, the fact was Ramsey took a 3 step drop and fired the ball as if that was what the play was designed to do, my feeling on those highlights were that Gibbs had him throwing to the primary reciever no matter what, he didn't want him holding the ball, I believe Gibbs believed that if he hit the reciever quick and short he would be able to run for a first. The problem with the philosophy was he never stretched the defense all year to make them fear the deep play to give the recievers room to work underneath, all the defenses all year flooded the short passing game which is another reason we couldn't run, to many players around the line of scrimmage. The fact is we saw the same kind of routes and problems with Brunell. I didn't want Brunell here in the first place but he played a heck of a lot worse than even I expected, I don't believe it was totally his fault, I believe Gibbs has to absorb a most of the blame, as Portis said it's like the defenses know what we are running, couple that with Coles's complaints about not throwing the ball downfield and I say we have a Gibbs problem not a Ramsey problem!

I agree offiss, you said it better than I did!

Was that the one where Theismann threw a block for him after he cut back? I think that was against the Giants, and in that game Mark Moseley kicked his then record 20th consecutive field goal to give the Redskins a 15-14 win.

Yeah, I remember Joe T. blocking for him. I just remember Gibbs laughing as Washington came to a complete stop and stared at the tacklers who, in turn, stared back at him. It was almost as if the were afraid that, if they tried to tackle him, they would miss and he'd go for a TD.