Let's talk OTA's

Just an FYI, games are 4 quarters, not 1. I think in the end, Seattle showed they were the better team, healthy RG3 or not.

I think the bolded part is extremely questionable.
I think everyone agrees that Griffin tweaked his knee at the end of the 1st quarter, on our 2nd scoring drive. After that, many of Griffin's throws were less sharp, and the offense ground to a halt.
Our first two drives were
80 yds and 54yds, both ending in TDs.

Our next 6 drives were
13yds, punt,
3yds, long underthrown INT(imo not happening if the knee isn't tweaked earlier),
23yds punt,
4yds punt,
17 yds punt,
-19 yds, Griffin collapsed, and the fumble.

Just as importantly, our first two drives had 11minutes time of possession, the next 6 had a combined 12 minutes.

During those 6 failed drives, the Skins gave up 2 TDs and 2 field goals. I think it's not irrational to think that a healthy Griffin could have led to at least 1 more score, and probably more.

oh well. Let's hope we see some redemption this year.

When in doubt, roll out petty semantics!

I'm sure most of you became fans during the glory years, when we were a great team. According to you, that makes all those fans that jumped on during that time, rational. And sure, the Redskins have sucked recently and we continue to be fans, which you cited as a reason for us being irrational, but in fact, not changing teams only makes us rational, due to understanding that once you're attached to a team, you can't wholly change. Thus, the vast majority of Redskins fans are, in fact, rational. The only ones that aren't are the ones saying we're one of the best NFC teams, those who say we'll go winless this season, and the bandwagoners from 2012 who are still hoping that the team they're not fully attached to yet will become good again(probably none of these variety left. LOL.). BA-DUM-BUM KSSSSSH!

The bolded statement in itself is irrational, based on an emotive rather than reasoned argument. A purely rational person is never "attached" to a team as you describe, as the most gratifying (and hence rational) approach is to root for the winner, whomever that might be.

More to the original argument, I understand Schneed's objections. I come to the Warpath rather than some other place because I find the arguments here are more reasoned. It is a good thing to be able to see past the rose-colored glasses when you can.

At the same time, to expect fans to never have irrational attachments seems like expecting a squid not to have tentacles. To be a devoted fan is to embrace a measure of irrationality by definition.

if I like Pi am I an irrational fan?

Pi needs therapy since it has been nothing but irrational for a long time. Blueberry Pi, however, is entirely rational.

Everyone just needs to be more patient, as painful as that sounds. I expect 7 to 9 wins this year. The division is up for grabs. I think this can be a division winning 9 to 10 win team. To me that's a realistic goal.

Everyone just needs to be more patient, as painful as that sounds. I expect 7 to 9 wins this year. The division is up for grabs. I think this can be a division winning 9 to 10 win team. To me that's a realistic goal.

I agree with the last sentence, I dont think it would surprise anyone if anybody outside of Dallas won the division.

The bolded statement in itself is irrational, based on an emotive rather than reasoned argument. A purely rational person is never "attached" to a team as you describe, as the most gratifying (and hence rational) approach is to root for the winner, whomever that might be.<snip>

Well then. I guess I am an irrational person. Weird, because I thought I was being so rational in this whole debate.

Everyone just needs to be more patient, as painful as that sounds. I expect 7 to 9 wins this year. The division is up for grabs. I think this can be a division winning 9 to 10 win team. To me that's a realistic goal.

This.

The bolded statement in itself is irrational, based on an emotive rather than reasoned argument. A purely rational person is never "attached" to a team as you describe, as the most gratifying (and hence rational) approach is to root for the winner, whomever that might be.

More to the original argument, I understand Schneed's objections. I come to the Warpath rather than some other place because I find the arguments here are more reasoned. It is a good thing to be able to see past the rose-colored glasses when you can.

At the same time, to expect fans to never have irrational attachments seems like expecting a squid not to have tentacles. To be a devoted fan is to embrace a measure of irrationality by definition.

Agreed. I'm sure I've been guilty of that at some point. I remember acting quite "irrationally" after Griffin ripped off that 76 yard TD run against the Vikings.

Just trying to correct for the egregious fanboy statements that sometimes get thrown around on the message boards. If we don't hold ourselves to that higher standard then our discussions will suck.

Everyone just needs to be more patient, as painful as that sounds. I expect 7 to 9 wins this year. The division is up for grabs. I think this can be a division winning 9 to 10 win team. To me that's a realistic goal.

Yeah, couldn't have said it better. There are plenty of reasons why you could pick us to win the division - rational ones too! But there are also plenty why you could pick against us - the roster/coach turnover and familiarity aspects being the biggest.

I'll be pissed if we're entirely uncompetitive, like 4-12. As long as we show that we're competitive and playing some meaningful December football, even if we miss the playoffs I'll be OK. The fanboy in me will die a little when we get eliminated, but in my head I know that's the likely situation.

But here's hoping we catch lightning in a bottle with our offense.

See, head and heart can coexist!

Yeah, couldn't have said it better. There are plenty of reasons why you could pick us to win the division - rational ones too! But there are also plenty why you could pick against us - the roster/coach turnover and familiarity aspects being the biggest.

I'll be pissed if we're entirely uncompetitive, like 4-12. As long as we show that we're competitive and playing some meaningful December football, even if we miss the playoffs I'll be OK. The fanboy in me will die a little when we get eliminated, but in my head I know that's the likely situation.

But here's hoping we catch lightning in a bottle with our offense.

See, head and heart can coexist!

I couldn't agree more. Well said.

Agreed. I'm sure I've been guilty of that at some point. I remember acting quite "irrationally" after Griffin ripped off that 76 yard TD run against the Vikings.<snip>

LOL. I went back and read the 2012 Vikings-Redskins gameday thread yesterday, and couldn't keep back the grins. The enthusiasm for Griffin was incredible, especially after that run. Wish I would've been on the board that year. Good times.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/49796-officially-official-vikings-redskins-game-day.html