Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts

TAFKAS:

Thank you very much for noticing that I am not accusing anyone here of "boning their Sean Taylor bobbleheads" nor have I called anyone an "assclown".

For the record, can someone explain to me what an assclown is? The possibilities are many and some of them bring very disturbing images to my mind.

You and I can agree to disagree on Sean Taylor - - but in truth I think we are a lot closer that we are apart in those views. I have said hundreds of times here that he is a VERY good player from a physical point of view and that IF he ever learns to play sound fundamental football AND grows up in his off-the-field actions, he will be a star in the league. I doubt you disagree with any of that.

Where I think we differ is that I believe that a young man of 21 or 22 should be showing SOME signs of developing maturity, judgment and all those things that come with adulthood. And I haven't yet seen a lot of them from Sean Taylor yet. You want to cut him more slack than I do based on his on-field skills. Fine. But please recall that I suggested that this contract renegotiation "problem" was gonna happen back around Thanksgiving last year. Trust me, Sean Taylor does not confide in me; so the only way I "knew" that was by looking at his behaviors and looking at where they logically would lead.

What would you say about Sean Taylor if he held out of training camp say until the third pre-season game? I don't think it will happen, but there is a 10% chance it could. So, is that "forgiveable" because he is potentially a great player or not?

Gmanc711:
For reasons that seem not to be important to the Sean Taylor Fan Club here, Joe Gibbs has made it clear that he really wants 100% participation in all the voluntary workouts this off-season. I guess that Joe Gibbs is doing that just to make himself a pain in the ass to the players because obviously it can't be all that important to ask these players to show up and work out in order to earn their salaries. He's doing that to annoy them, right?


why do you always seem to talk down to people :P just because people disagree with you doesn't make them idiots.

and i don't really think anyone here believes we needed 98 more offensive points to win that game, way to strawman and totally disregard the arguement though.

how about the chicago game where taylor got an int with under 25 seconds left to seal a win (with a 3 point lead)... if he gets credit for losing dallas II, why doesn't he get credit for chicago (where he also got a good sack to kill a drive in the 3rd among other things)?

taylor had problems with his contract the week after it was done, that wasn't a big secret, but since he signed, there wasn't much he could do... at least until this august.

He doesn't get credit for an INT in the Chicago game as a game-winner because Chicago was not actually in any danger of scoring at that point. Only a breakdown by the defense would have given them a score. Hmmm... That's sort fo what happened in the Dallas II game. The Cowboys were in no danger of scoring with about 60 yards to go and Vinny T under center unless there was a defensive breakdown. How'd that happen again?

The reason I said that the Redskins would not need for Taylor to make a big play late in the Dallas II game if everyone else had done something outstanding earlier on is because others here say you can't blame the loss on just one player. OK, if that's the case, then it was Ramsey's fault for not throwing TDs earleir. If that makes sense to you, go for it. It makes no sense to me.

The game was in hand for the Redskins; it was ready to go in the "W" column unless the defense blew it badly. That happened; go check out the final score and you'll be reminded of it. So, do you want to blame the DL for not getting a sack? Or the LBs for not knocking the WR on his ass at the line of scrimmage? Or the other DBs for covering their men so well that Vinny discovered Taylor's blown coverage? Who made the mistake with seconds left to play that cost the team a victory? Somebody did it or else it would have been a win and not a loss/

You don't think it was Sean Taylor. Fine. Who was it?

i'm just saying you shouldn't break down and blame an entire game on one play... there were 122 other plays that also helped decide the outcome. Yes, he screwed up royally and dallas scored... but if someone else was playing FS for us, we'd have no gaurantees they would have been any better. I'm just saying that 1 play is not the entire game though, I have no problem saying taylor made a big mistake and it cost the team; I'm just saying a lot of other things could gone better to avoid that situation (coulda shoulda etc).

Its kinda like how priest holmes gets all sorts of credit for being a great RB, but without his line he wouldn't look nearly as hot. Just because he's the pointman doesn't mean he's single-handedly responsible for all the yards he racks up.

The chicago game was closer to the end zone than the dallas game, and they only needed 3 points to tie, so you can discount when he does what he should, but not when screws up (ie he gets shit for his mistakes and no praise for his good plays)...

i was sitting here w/ someone and i was trying to show them how good this sight was and i came up on this discusion about taylor costing us games?

Wow i am sure that if he weren't on the field we would have won more games?

i just don't understand how we get these ideas, he played great he is great. we are comparing him with darell green! lets compare ramsey w/ baugh, and gardner w/ monk. it makes very little sense. portis w/ riggins. springs w/ green, smoot w/ green, jimoh w/ green

how can we say he lost us games, look at the plays he made in his video, he can develope. how can we complare him w/ the best players. he was first alternate to the probowl...... as a rookie. wtf more do we want. he played consitant and i remeber feeling that springs should have done something in the second game against the cow-girls. i think i repressed the play in my memory but from what i can see in my head i remeber that many reporters said that Springs ALSO messed up. he played inside and should have pushed the WR closer inside, springs let him get outside and that pushed him to far away. regardless we didn't lose the game b/c of taylor, one play that took 10 seconds of a 60 minute game.

i just thought i could show a friend how good this sight was and now i am trying to defend it.

I take offense... I DO bone my sean taylor bobble head, and I AM an ass clown. And in that goddamn dallas II game, we couldnt get the pressure we usually got, we couldnt run the ball, but our short passing game was killing them. So, when we have the ball close to midfield and are forcing them to use their timeouts and we come to 3rd and 8, we shouldve stuck with what worked and kept their offense on the bench and put them away. Offense is the difference maker in the fourth quarter, you cant put all the pressure on your defense that late in the game. Especially not when you've got their backs against a wall.

I played alot of defense and its much more difficult... you have to be near perfect at least 3 times to accomplish what you set out to do. on offense you get 3+ tries to accomplish and you only have to hit once. Sean Taylor did not lose that game. Joe Gibbs lost that game.

When I saw the draft day shot of Taylor at home after he was picked, my very first impression was this guy was going to be a pain in ass, though he may be a good player.

i bet gibbs can't be too happy with either one of them.if these guys really want to win and not be a couple of really rich losers,listening to gibbs and removing their heads from their asses would be a step in the right direction.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]He doesn't get credit for an INT in the Chicago game as a game-winner because Chicago was not actually in any danger of scoring at that point. Only a breakdown by the defense would have given them a score. Hmmm... That's sort fo what happened in the Dallas II game. The Cowboys were in no danger of scoring with about 60 yards to go and Vinny T under center unless there was a defensive breakdown. How'd that happen again?



that might possibly be the most retarded thing you have ever written sc. let me get this straight, your saying the only time an offense scores is when the defense has a breakdown ? every time the colts score on the chiefs it's because the chiefs' defense had a breakdown, it has nothing to do with the colts having a good offense....right ? even if they are 60 yards away. a offense has the potential to score every time it gets the ball.
maybe, just maybe, your the real meathead.