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As Scott VP has gone on the record. Costas and his......kind have been doing this gig for 88+ years...more or less. Is it not interesting they started caring about the racist nature of the B & G name in the last 2 years. Were they not ......aghast at the name for lo' these many years? If so, why voice their opinion when it became....fashionable
.....Weak

I hope Snyder sues the ever living s outta this guy, if possible. And to top it off the jackass is a cowboys fan too.

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My mind says that's way over the line and wrong, as calling someone a racist is only a step or two below declaring someone a wife beater, but not unlike watching a video of a bully getting his butt kicked (http://youtu.be/wOh1ek_yncA) I find it hard to muster up any sympathy for a guy that has abused the legal system with numerous frivolous lawsuits (http://deadspin.com/5838709/dan-snyder-is-suing-washington-city-paper-over-a-story-he-has-never-read).

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tolerance does not mean acceptance. I tolerate what gay people think is ok to do in their lives but I will never accept it. I can be nice to a gay person without accepting the gay lifestyle as right or normal. That is tolerance.

people try to define tolerance as acceptance and by definition it simply isnt

My point is that if one is a fan of the Redskins, wears Redskins jerseys, cheers for the Washington Redskins, or sings the fight song when they score a touchdown, I don't see how one can be, staunchly, against the name of the team. That's just my opinion.

I honestly believe the difference of opinions among those people who are not Native American, is a politically driven one - not one where they are personally effected by the name. Just my opinion. Especially when political figures are trying to get involved, those on one side or the other is going to be supporting their political "team" in anything. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but there are those who are so staunchly for their political party that they'll go along with anything that party says or does, and will argue for those actions - even if they don't understand what it is they are fighting for. And I believe when President Obama and a few other political figures came out against the name, that was enough to sway a few sitting on the fence, over to the "change name" camp.

The bottom line is, if there is overwhelming evidence, damnable evidence that the name of the team is derogatory, and an overwhelming majority of Native Americans agree that the team name is racist, then the name should change. But if there is NOT overwhelming evidence (and so far, there hasn't been), nor an overwhelming majority of NA's coming out against the name, then fighting for a name change simply doesn't make any sense.

What basis of argument do Non-NA's have against the name, if the majority of NA's come out and say that they do not find offense in the name? Going along with the argument that there might be 10% who are offended and that's enough for those opposed to fight the "good fight" seems pretty ignorant to me. That is when I say if there is division within the NA community, then let them figure it out among themselves.

lets just say for a worst case scenario...

I think a great team name would be The Washington Rebels...
fitting. wed be able to keep HTTR. I just think it would be good.

There are few things that would cause me to turn in my fan card. Renaming them the Rebels would be one of those things.

I agree about the hypocrisy coming from the change-the-name camp. It is easy to find outraged netizens who otherwise couldn't give a fig about Indians.

But there is hypocrisy in the keep-the-name camp, too. Some Skins fans claim that the name honors Indians, yet these same people show no more concern for the real plight of real Indians than the change-the-name hypocrites. If Skins fans don't truly honor Indians, what right do they have to support keeping the name for the sake of honoring Indians?

Sadly there is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.

I don't care about them.

Pffffttttt....
Snyder is not going to name them The Rebels or the Warriors or anything close to being Indian related.
The Redskins are a prominent business/company/team/employer.
Snyder has been enduring a ton of crap about the name this year.
I'm sure hes fed up.
The new name is going to be something very neutral and very approachable and totally noncontroversial.

Wow!

I agree that Danny should sue!

Just for the record, after all of the debate I have heard and read, I feel that I too am in the third camp. I too do not want to see the team name changed, and I don't really see the name as racist or derogatory, but I do agree that there is way too much bad press, and that the name will have to change at some point in the near future.

My only hope is that the team can retain the colors and theme.

As for a replacement name, I would vote for...

Washington Warriors

Also, whether or not the name is changed, I would suggest that the team go back to the logo that was used in the '60's, and during the 70th Anniversary season....

http://www.redskins.com/assets/images/imported/WAS/centerpieces/landing-page-centerpieces/AP02082906582.jpg

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That helmet is pretty sweet, even equal to our curent one. But if the name does change, we need to move completely away from any Native American theme. It might take 10 years, or 20, or 50, but eventually the same type of people as those for the name-change now would start arguing that Native American mascots dehumanize them, and we'd have to put up with this crap all over again.

That helmet is pretty sweet, even equal to our curent one. But if the name does change, we need to move completely away from any Native American theme. It might take 10 years, or 20, or 50, but eventually the same type of people as those for the name-change now would start arguing that Native American mascots dehumanize them, and we'd have to put up with this crap all over again.That's already happening with other teams, just to a quieter degree than what we're seeing. As I think has been stated in this thread, the Redskins are basically just the prime target/first domino.
My guess is that if and when we do change it will be pretty much whole sale with only the team colors staying the same. Like Alvin Walton said, the organization will do everything they can to make the new name/logo non-controversial, which ironically will make it controversial to many current fans.

I just wish the name Washington Generals wasn't so tainted because of the Harlem Globetrotters, because I feel like that would be a decent name.

I honestly believe the difference of opinions among those people who are not Native American, is a politically driven one - not one where they are personally effected by the name. Just my opinion. Especially when political figures are trying to get involved, those on one side or the other is going to be supporting their political "team" in anything. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but there are those who are so staunchly for their political party that they'll go along with anything that party says or does, and will argue for those actions - even if they don't understand what it is they are fighting for. And I believe when President Obama and a few other political figures came out against the name, that was enough to sway a few sitting on the fence, over to the "change name" camp.

Agreed. As someone who's spent the last few years ridiculing my republican friends over a few things, I can't help but see some of their warnings about other things in action on this issue.

I don't know if the vast majority of people see things this way, but I'm certainly on the same page as you at this point.


The bottom line is, if there is overwhelming evidence, damnable evidence that the name of the team is derogatory, and an overwhelming majority of Native Americans agree that the team name is racist, then the name should change. But if there is NOT overwhelming evidence (and so far, there hasn't been), nor an overwhelming majority of NA's coming out against the name, then fighting for a name change simply doesn't make any sense.


But therein lies the issue for me that is going to forever make it difficult for me to change from the keep-the-name camp to the change-the-name camp.

If, up until a point, there was no significant proof of disparagement etc, then why should I put any stock into that changing over time?
If when the team was named... when the cases were previously fought... when the name was trademarked... if there was no problem then, why should I give any credit to the idea that there is a problem now or in the future?

If there never existed a problem then the whole platform upon which the change-the-name camp sits goes away... Simply rallying more people onto their non-existent platform doesn't do anything for me.

They may able to recruit more in the future under the guise of righteousness and 'making a difference' because, from where I sit, the trend of people wanting to be a part of that sort of thing seems to continue to grow - especially as more and more people become reliant on the internet as a means of social interaction and source of happiness.

But it's not going to change anything for me. I'll see it exactly for what it is.. a bunch of phony nonsense that's been talked into 'existence,' but not really...

This isn't an issue that changes over time... or at least, it shouldn't be.

That's already happening with other teams, just to a quieter degree than what we're seeing. As I think has been stated in this thread, the Redskins are basically just the prime target/first domino.
My guess is that if and when we do change it will be pretty much whole sale with only the team colors staying the same. Like Alvin Walton said, the organization will do everything they can to make the new name/logo non-controversial, which ironically will make it controversial to many current fans.

I just wish the name Washington Generals wasn't so tainted because of the Harlem Globetrotters, because I feel like that would be a decent name.

Generals is a solid name. Not sure how well that would go with the burgundy and gold.

I still like the idea of Washington FC. Don't know what we'd do for a logo, though.

If the name does change, please, please, please, no animal for a name. That would be awful.