Jay Gruden you are our only hope

Can anyone think of any head coach who has started out his HC career like this and been able to turn it around with the same team and win Super Bowls? This makes me nervous, what if it's Jay who decides to leave after the season because he's not up to a total rebuild job with RG3?

I definitely feel like we're looking at a total rebuild job with RG3. I don't expect him to come out this week and suddenly look like he's got it, and I honestly don't expect that to happen at all this season. We might get lucky here and there, but if there's any hope at all at salvaging RG3's potential I think we have to commit for the long haul (aka 1+ season wasted). What if JG isn't up to that? All I can think is that if JG bails on us after a year we are set back for 1-3 years of failure, especially if the franchise bails on RG3. I'm honestly starting to think the "rebuild RG3" option with at least 1 wasted season might be our best chance at getting back our shot at true long term success with the least amount of time wasted.

Jimmy Johnson in Dallas comes to mind but his circumstances were different than Brother of Chucky's.

The problem is RG3 not JG.

The problem is RG3 not JG.
True but that's not the way Dan Snyder will see it at the end of the season

I don't. Not yet at least.

That is good news and speaks well of Snyder and Allen. I don't know what to think of Allen as GM though.

Seems like you have more inside knowledge than anyone here, did you know if Snyder had high expectations for this season?

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

On what are you basing the conclusion that he is in over his head in terms of leadership and knowledge?

I can't say for sure honestly. I haven't viewed any of his press conferences, the most news I get about him is from here and from video snippets I see here and there. He seems frustrated definitely, I know it's usually aimed at RG3 but I'm not sure if it's RG3, the players or the entire organization from top to bottom that is the core cause of the frustration. Like I said, I like the guy a lot, I hope he doesn't quit on us or that Snyder doesn't quit on him but by the way it seems to be going, this isn't going to end amicably whenever it does end.

FWIW I think Jay is frustrated with a few peeps.....but not all or so it appears to me. Busting Roberts chops.....I hope is an attempt to break him off the Superstar mentality and rebuild him (much like the Marine Corps is famous for) in the offseason. Teach how to be a successful QB that he is capable of being. The kid is just to talented and smart to hit the Jeff George road....

That is good news and speaks well of Snyder and Allen. I don't know what to think of Allen as GM though.

Seems like you have more inside knowledge than anyone here, did you know if Snyder had high expectations for this season?

I mean, he always does

I mean, he always does

I would expect that from the owner, but the question is, does he know why they suck? That's where the disconnect is with danny boy.

On what are you basing the conclusion that he is in over his head in terms of leadership and knowledge?

Well this is oversimplified but I look at knowledge based on how a coaches group performs. Gruden's offense underperformed every year in cincy relative to the talent. He had a ton to work with there in a superior oline they heavily invested in, arguably the best WR in football and great supporting cast around them. His group never finished in the top third of the league in points. His playoff performance is really lousy, playcalling lost cincy the playoffs last year. Giving up on the run going into the 2nd half of the game with a lead. Heard lots of football guys criticize Gruden after that. Now his group here is ranked about 26th in points.

So I hope we didn't recruit Jay for his x's anc o's. The other factor is leadership and he's failed worse there. If the supporting cast around RG was playing well Jay might have a case, but the whole offense looks unprepared and undisciplined. And now the drama, which he's in neck deep. If Jay was a leader the players would ball regardless of the QB. That's what well coached teams do. They also come out sharp after a bye.

Just as a comparison, look at the Cards. No stability at QB, injury ridden roster on both sides of the ball, very similar overall talent to what Grudens working with. I mean Larry Foote, at vet min I'm pretty sure, is playing the best of his career. Superb coaching. 9-1.

I wish I had a withering retort for that, but I don't. <sigh>

I still have faith in Gruden, but it's mostly based off the fact that he inherited a sh*tty team and needs time. He's won everywhere else he's been...