Joe Gibbs lied

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.

I agree, it's a total clusterf---, and it all started the day Snyder fired Casserly instead of Turner.


JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!

Not only were the Charges close to going to the Super Bowl last year, but they also have had a great draft this year too..........what's the old saying, "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer"........ :( Marty got the Redskins the closest to success at 8-8 ..............

we dont need a wr receiver, and we dontneed an olb. gibbs doesnt throw a his TE, he never has, they are blockers. Plus we have cooley. We filled our need at corner, and we have an insurance plan if ramsey doesnt improve. Gibbs didnt lie, im sure ramsey is our starter. Last time i checked just becuase you have a rookie qb it doesnt mean he starts. This also shows that gibbs isnt just trying to win now and then retire, hes doing what he feels is best for the team now and in the future.


Are you too young to remember Clint Diddier?

All this shit is Funny

Not only were the Charges close to going to the Super Bowl last year, but they also have had a great draft this year too..........what's the old saying, "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer"........ :( Marty got the Redskins the closest to success at 8-8 ..............


I absolutly loved their draft It was what I wanted for us, and we have to stand by and take it, oh the humanity. :frusty:

Are you too young to remember Clint Diddier?


Clint was used more so as a WR though when he came in teams knew we were throwing and put a man on him, he wasen't a blocking TE, when Clint left that was it for the TE's no more passes.

Joe Gibbs did not lie. To say he did is nonsense - gross hyberbole from someone who just doesn't like the decisions that were made, and interprets comments in a narrow and supernegative, critical way to suit his purposes.

Welcome back to football talk Shane. :)

JC, Let's face it, I don't beleive Casserly persay was a big mistake, we had a better talent evaluater in Marty here after Casserly was fired, and after he straightened out the mess created the year before with our fortune 5 hundred team, Marty found undrafted talent in the form of Pierce and IFFY, getting a starting CB in the second rd in Smoot, Gardner wasen't a bad pick at the time who knew he would drop pass after pass, yet Snyder fired him any way, why? Well could it possibly be Marty knows talent, and Snyder doesn't? And Danny Boy couldn't handle someone picking players that he had no clue about, rather than listening to Snyder and letting him have a say on talent? Marty refused and so doing essentially let Snyder know he doesn't know what he's talking about, and so Marty was shown the door.

Now Snyder turns over player personell to Gibbs who has a very small track record of talent evaluation, but that track record is failure in 1 Desmond Howard!

Marty's GM skills were better than anything else the Skins have had since Casserly was fired, and Marty's doing a fine job out there in San Diego. My point was basically that, outside of the Marty year, this team has been like a rudderless ship since Casserly was fired. Like yourself, I put much of the blame for that on Snyder's infatuation with himself and his toady, Vinny Cerrato. To me, it's not so much a lack of talent evaluation skills as it is an ineptitude with draft management, and a propensity to overpay for the talent they want-- whether in the form of ridiculous signing bonuses or draft picks or both.

Combine that with the staff turnover of the past six years, and the inability or refusal to retain the quality talent that they're actually able to draft, and you wind up with a team that's constantly spinning its wheels, and seemingly never able to get moving forward. Or, like Dan Patrick was saying on ESPN Radio all last week, it seems like the Redskins under Dan Snyder have been a car in traffic that just keeps changing lanes, hoping to somehow outmaneuver the traffic in front of them, without realizing that if they just picked a lane and stuck with it, they'd probably reach their destination a lot faster with a lot less trouble.