Right Tackle and Free Safety

Because after Cousins started taking hits, he just threw it as quick as possible regardless of whether the receiver was open. Which is why he threw so many Int's. RG3 held the ball way to long and would bail out instead of climbing the pocket when he could. KC just threw it regardless of whether the receiver was open so he didnt keep taking hits. Just rewatch the NY Giants game, he got lit up in the first half. Second half he was doing everything he could to get the ball out of his hands fast and threw 4 ints.

Its not just the line, we didnt have good pass blocking from RB's or TE's either, plus the QB's clearly added to the mistake. It was an overall break down. But to use KC as the reason to say our Oline wasnt giving up sacks is a mistake. Throwing it to the defense isnt the answer.

Also, Colts sack rate wasnt that much lower than RG3. Based on what you posted earlier, RG3 had 33 sacks while throwing 214 passes. Colt had 17 sacks while throwing 128 passes. Which would equal out to 34 sacks in 256 passes thrown. Better but not exactly a huge difference.

RG3's sack rate was 15%. Kirk's was right at 4%. You're right McCoy's rate was very similar to RG3's sack rate. I wouldn't consider RG3 as having the same sack rate as a career back up a ringing endorsement.

The game situation and Kirk's inability to forget the last bad play had more to do with the interceptions than the offensive line's play.

They were playing from behind, which allows the defense to pass rush without defending the run. If our defense hadn't made Donnell the most prized TE in the league that game, a balanced attack would have changed the stats big time.

Two of his 4 interceptions were deep balls. He was going outside the system and trying to do to much to make a come back.

The line play wasn't good but it wasn't terrible either.

Kirk was sacked twice and had 4 QB hits that game:

New York Giants vs. Washington Redskins - Box Score - September 25, 2014 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554201)

Our line did a lot better in that game than Tony Romo's did in our first game:

Washington Redskins vs. Dallas Cowboys - Box Score - October 27, 2014 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554336)

I'm sure you will credit great Oline play for the numbers Kirk put up the week before against Philly since you're blaming them for the numbers Kirk put up against NY:

Washington Redskins vs. Philadelphia Eagles - Recap - September 21, 2014 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=400554203)

I totally agree with you guys that our line needs to get bigger and better but everything wrong with our offense isn't the line.

We need a QB. Kirk is the only QB on our team with the potential for long term success in this league but has some real head issues to resolve before that happens.

Because after Cousins started taking hits, he just threw it as quick as possible regardless of whether the receiver was open. Which is why he threw so many Int's. RG3 held the ball way to long and would bail out instead of climbing the pocket when he could. KC just threw it regardless of whether the receiver was open so he didnt keep taking hits. Just rewatch the NY Giants game, he got lit up in the first half. Second half he was doing everything he could to get the ball out of his hands fast and threw 4 ints.

Its not just the line, we didnt have good pass blocking from RB's or TE's either, plus the QB's clearly added to the mistake. It was an overall break down. But to use KC as the reason to say our Oline wasnt giving up sacks is a mistake. Throwing it to the defense isnt the answer.

Also, Colts sack rate wasnt that much lower than RG3. Based on what you posted earlier, RG3 had 33 sacks while throwing 214 passes. Colt had 17 sacks while throwing 128 passes. Which would equal out to 34 sacks in 256 passes thrown. Better but not exactly a huge difference.

Sums it up pretty well. Getting the ball out quick is only a good thing if you're making good decisions while doing it.

RG3's sack rate was 15%. Kirk's was right at 4%. You're right McCoy's rate was very similar to RG3's sack rate. I wouldn't consider RG3 as having the same sack rate as a career back up a ringing endorsement.

The game situation and Kirk's inability to forget the last bad play had more to do with the interceptions than the offensive line's play.

They were playing from behind, which allows the defense to pass rush without defending the run. If our defense hadn't made Donnell the most prized TE in the league that game, a balanced attack would have changed the stats big time.

Two of his 4 interceptions were deep balls. He was going outside the system and trying to do to much to make a come back.

The line play wasn't good but it wasn't terrible either.

Kirk was sacked twice and had 4 QB hits that game:

New York Giants vs. Washington Redskins - Box Score - September 25, 2014 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554201)

Our line did a lot better in that game than Tony Romo's did in our first game:

Washington Redskins vs. Dallas Cowboys - Box Score - October 27, 2014 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554336)

I'm sure you will credit great Oline play for the numbers Kirk put up the week before against Philly since you're blaming them for the numbers Kirk put up against NY:

Washington Redskins vs. Philadelphia Eagles - Recap - September 21, 2014 - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=400554203)

I totally agree with you guys that our line needs to get bigger and better but everything wrong with our offense isn't the line.

We need a QB. Kirk is the only QB on our team with the potential for long term success in this league but has some real head issues to resolve before that happens.

I have said plenty that I think the lack of a good defense has affected our QB's/Offense. Just dont use that for RG3, it wont fly on this board even though its acceptable for KC. Our defense puts us in positions to have to come from behind and that kills us. The OL has had some good games here and there, just like our defense has. But when you compare them across 16 games, no I dont call our OL or defense good. That Dallas game was also one that Dallas screwed up, since they were running it good on us but they tried to win it with Romo for some reason. They werent far behind at any point in the game, they just went away from the run for some reason.

But you cant say the OL didnt affect KC, even in that Giants game. Especially after one sack that he didnt see coming in the first half. He wasnt the same the rest of the game.

I have also never said the only problem with our offense is the line. But for some reason, calling out the OL equals a defense of RG3 to most. Im not sure why that is, since I say it affects them all. But thats the way most on this board think. To me, they are independent of each other.

If we go with RG3... Fix the OL.
If we go with KC... Fix the OL.
If we go with McCoy... Fix the OL.
If we draft Mariotta... Fix the OL.
If we trade for Rivers... Fix the OL.

It has been a problem and one or two games here or there does not change that. The OL is good at stretch runs, but that is about the only thing they are consistent at. Sometimes there is a pocket, sometimes none develops and the QB only has about 2 seconds to get rid of the ball (we had a fair few sacks happen in the 1.7 seconds time frame). QB's have trouble adjusting to that outside of the elites, and even sometimes they do as well. Especially if we want to get a young QB and develop him. Do I think Mariotta will develop well behind Polumbus (granted hes not on the roster and shouldnt be back) and Chester while having to score 30 just to get a win? No I dont.

It's not like a well kept secret right?
Don't have a stellar QB? Get a Stellar O-line.......

I have also never said the only problem with our offense is the line. But for some reason, calling out the OL equals a defense of RG3 to most. Im not sure why that is, since I say it affects them all. But thats the way most on this board think. To me, they are independent of each other.


To be fair, however, this particular discussion started when someone argued that RGIII's problems were due to the line and that, with a decent line, he would be fine (that's an oversimplification) and used a clip from a Minnesota game. Discussion ensued. How much the line, how much RGIII?

Most reasonable people seem to agree that it is a good amount of both. The OLine gets pushed around a lot. RGIII takes bad drops and has little or no pocket presence. Neither is good but both, together, are double plus ungood.

It's really simple. Our line isn't great and none of our QBs are anywhere near good enough to make up for it even a little and may actually make it look worse. BUT...it is easier to address the line and then constrain the QB scheme-wise in a constructive way. You can't do it the other way around. Well maybe we did a little in 2012 when Griffin played well and made the line look good because we didn't actually make them do any real NFL-level stuff but that was fleeting obviously.

All this talk of the Oline being the reason rg3 can't read a defense is quite lame. The Oline isn't the reason why cousins didn't look off the safety or missed that lb playing underneath coverage. Sure they need to play better, but the blame for the qb play is very old and tired

check out this play. watch how Everson Griffin and Anthony Barr pretend like our Oline is invisible. dude has to make a highlight play just to dump it off on a checkdown? right side is garbage. period. nothing to do with qb.

2014 Top Moments: Griffin III, Helu Escape Vikings (http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/2014-Top-Moments-Griffin-III-Helu-Escape-Vikings/30e8790c-ba63-480e-87ea-27abc7098b89)

if I'm watching the same play, the RT did OK on that play...Helu was a swinging gate on the other hand. Glad he's gone- he could not block a lick.

RGIII also didn't seem to notice the blitz that was bound to come from the Left side.

to be fair, it looked like Chester (RG) gave up a little too soon and was actually chasing his man into the backfield....ugh!

All this talk of the Oline being the reason rg3 can't read a defense is quite lame. The Oline isn't the reason why cousins didn't look off the safety or missed that lb playing underneath coverage. Sure they need to play better, but the blame for the qb play is very old and tired

That might be true, but KC played four years in a pro-style offense and RG3 none in college. All this KC is better might be true with certain things, but he had a chance and didn't deliver!! Rg3 might not be the future qb we want, KC want be neither!!

since this has turned into a QB discussion ...

"He threw nine interceptions last season; Seven of them came in bad games against the Giants and Cardinals. Five of them came in the fourth quarter, including three during a winnable game at Arizona and one in Philly. But only three of the interceptions came with Washington trailing by fewer than nine points, so the legend of Cousins crumbling repeatedly in tight games is somewhat exaggerated."

Why isn’t Kirk Cousins getting a shot to start? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/03/23/why-isnt-kirk-cousins-getting-a-shot-to-start/)


interesting context and info as to when Cousins threw picks. seems like forces throws when we are down by double digits ....

i wonder if cousins now will be worried about his own stat line when the team is down double digits in the 2nd half vs trying to win.