Domestic terrorism

The shooter was an American. Just something to keep in mind. Don't have to be a redneck to commit domestic terrorism. This whole thing is bigger than Obama.

What I don't understand is how the fuck would a guy interviewed by the fbi for sympathetic statements about Isis by allowed to buy a gun. Makes zero sense.

What I don't understand is how the fuck would a guy interviewed by the fbi for sympathetic statements about Isis by allowed to buy a gun. Makes zero sense.

Because rich guys who want to keep their toy guns have bought off Congress:

GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns)

Because rich guys who want to keep their toy guns have bought off Congress:

GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns)

This makes no sense to me and now we have paid the price. Logic says suspected terrorists and citizens who make a conscious effort to connect with a terrorist, terrorist organization, or have any known ties to this enemy should not be allowed to purchase a weapon. that's common sense.

Another thing I have noticed is the shift in the narrative saying" because this person was influenced by a terrorist org to commit this attack but not actually a full fledge member or not born outside the US" that this is somehow "more acceptable and less serious" NO NO NO NO. People need to understand the strategy of ISIS...this terror organization optimal strategy is to inspire the homegrown attack. They lay out idea and directions...provide the ideological support. This fuck Mateen is a terrorist just a like any other isis fighter taking up arms today across the world. there is no difference....American citizen, Canadian citizen, Pakastain, Afghani, Syrian....its all the same folks.


Its time to focus on why (radical islam). the hows (guns and security) aren't gonna stop this.

His parents and others are saying he was a homophobe and the Islamic stuff is a smoke screen.

His parents and others are saying he was a homophobe and the Islamic stuff is a smoke screen.

But he said ISIS. That's all you can really go on.

Either way, we have two significant problems:

1) it's too easy for American citizens to get their hands on guns. Murder and suicide rates are lower in other developed countries who have gun control laws. Some find another way, but overall the rate is lower. That screams that we need major gun control and that the 2nd amendment needs to go.

2) If you create a paper trail or voice recording that shows you pledge allegiance to ISIS, you should be treated as an enemy of the state and a combatant. You should be captured and tried for treason, or killed just as an enemy soldier would on a battlefield. We should be at war with these people within our own borders. It matters not whether they are/were US citizens.

His parents and others are saying he was a homophobe and the Islamic stuff is a smoke screen.

While its quite obvious he was anti-gay, there is substantial evidence he was certainly attracted to radical Islamic ideology. The FBI twice investigating him, possible ties to Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, the call to pledge support to ISIS, Boston Bombers talk of support, the shouting of "god is great" during the shoot up with police....its clear. I certainly think it can be dual motives...certainly we know the torture of gays by ISIS and the persecution of gays in the middle east in general.

I not buying into the narrative by his father, I think folks who want to believe that will. In looking into the father's background, WP has found some interesting things: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-orlando-shooters-afghan-roots/2016/06/13/d89a8cd0-30e4-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html

"But Seddique Mateen appeared to maintain a strong affiliation to Afghanistan, hosting a television show broadcast from California that weighed in on the country’s political affairs.

He also filmed dozens of sparsely viewed, rambling YouTube videos portraying himself as an important Afghan analyst and leader.

In one video, the elder Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban while denouncing the Pakistani government.

[Shifting portraits emerge of shooter as authorities seek clues of terrorism ties]

“Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in [the] Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said. “Inshallah, the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”


Tough to believe a guy like this...

There's all that, and there's also, I don't know, the little fact that 20 minutes after he started shooting he called 911 and told the 911 operators that he pledged allegiance to ISIS.

But he said ISIS. That's all you can really go on.

Either way, we have two significant problems:

1) it's too easy for American citizens to get their hands on guns. Murder and suicide rates are lower in other developed countries who have gun control laws. Some find another way, but overall the rate is lower. That screams that we need major gun control and that the 2nd amendment needs to go.

2) If you create a paper trail or voice recording that shows you pledge allegiance to ISIS, you should be treated as an enemy of the state and a combatant. You should be captured and tried for treason, or killed just as an enemy soldier would on a battlefield. We should be at war with these people within our own borders. It matters not whether they are/were US citizens.

I agree with you that these two points are a problem. Unfortunately, many people are going to use point #2, to disregard or take the focus away from point #1.

It seems that even the threat of terrorism, which has led this country to do some questionable things, will not be strong enough to negatively affect the political power of the gun lobby in this country.

Can we please not be to quick to use....."that which cannot be named"?
Could there not be some other explanation? Perhaps, The dreaded Amish on a weekend bender??
Really??? Some of the Sons of Islam that have adopted the mantra of Radical Islamic Teaching could be terrorists. They need to be Profiled and Hunted down and killed like the cock roaches they are. Sorry Mr. President, that's right....they're RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS..... Try saying that a couple times. You'll feel better!
It's not about guns now any more than it was about "Pipe" in the pipe bombs in Boston. Or any more than it was about Jetliners.....Or box cutters on 9/11.
Remember the expression "When guns are outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns"? Truth. Do we expect Issis to turn theirs in? Or not just bring their's across our wide ass open borders? They've proven time and again, there are...far more effective means available.
What do we want it ban? Pipe? Passenger jets...box cutters(how would we open boxes)
It's about people. People we do not understand. We cannot apply conventional thinking to them or this problem. As has been stated, we are at war. They understand that, but to date.....sadly we do not.
God Bless those that lost their lives needlessly, those that still suffer and the families that always will.......